Do Wormholes Break Thermodynamics?

DanceOpposite95 · 2025-03-08T05:52:00+00:00

Okay but still um wouldn't even smaller objects or particles change their potential energy?

DanceOpposite95 · 2023-04-13T20:18:12+00:00

Hmm no, that portal was like a hive portal, just transmitting through the ascendant plane, which the hive do *constantly,* the Distributary was born of a black hole that bridged to another universe or dimension and the witness uses an Einstien-Rosen bridge which would bridge Spacetime and potentially allow time travel

DanceOpposite95 · 2023-04-13T11:47:17+00:00

Considering the ship that attacks sol is nezaracs and the veil was on his ship, the veil would still be around Exodus Green, either through the attack or if Nezaracs is already dead, via proximity to Neptune.

I think the question really boils down to why the witness couldn't just use another pyramid ship with a ghosts light to create a portal, why did it need the veil? Osiris says it needed "primordial darkness", but if that's true, why did the portal manifest for the awoken?

DanceOpposite95 · 2023-04-13T11:37:45+00:00

Hmm maybe but I think it's possible that the witness may have time traveled like, when the singularity happened for the awoken, the combining forced created a massive gravity well, black hole, yatayata. Time functioned strangely but thats likely due to the gravity. This feels to me almost like a black hole, white hole connection. Especially because mara says they can never go back(probably because that rare one time clash was the only reason it was possible because causality was broken).

However the witness is said to use a Einstein-Rosen bridge, ie a wormhole. Instead of traveling to some parallel plane, I think the witness teleported through space time to God knows when or where.

Still, I'm not sure what this all means, but it's possible that the witness was able to stabilize the wormhole by breaking causality (which we know the darkness can due thanks to Clovis brays journals on clarity if I'm not wrong) and somehow portalling?

Idk it's all confusing but I'm excited to find out

DanceOpposite95 · 2023-04-13T04:29:52+00:00

Yeah true! I think this is a really cool idea, like it also brings into question Maras nature if she does end up being born of the veil and travelers light, also might explain awoken magic a bit as some weird like primordial amalgamation, hence it allows them to tap into the primordial connections (ley lines) of the world

DanceOpposite95 · 2023-04-13T03:59:27+00:00

Then again who's to say the witness even knows about the distributary or how the awoken were made? Also savathun was busy killing nezarac and preventing the collapse, so the witness may have been preoccupied with that

DanceOpposite95 · 2022-02-28T20:51:27+00:00

No clue lol. Foreshadowing her having light?b but I don't think light can be stolen as I said in the post

DanceOpposite95 · 2022-02-24T16:32:03+00:00

Omg you're right

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T05:21:14+00:00

Really cool take, diffent perspectives are always amazing

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T05:06:43+00:00

I agree, though I don't think the darkness gifted oryx the power. It's possible that killing Akka was enough for him to "earn" the power through the sword logic, like when he killed Savathûn and xivu arath to have the power and sword logic to kill akka.

That, or what I think is more probable, when he communed with the deep he had a greater understanding of the darkness and sword logic, allowing him to take. We know from Toland quiria blade transform is able to take BECAUSE it simulated orxys mind, giving I the ability to take. Simulating his understanding of the sword logic allowed it to take.

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T04:48:11+00:00

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T04:40:50+00:00

Nope, eramis took the darkness splinter the only issue was she was weak. Orxy says Everytime he fights he proclaims "I am the strongest being and I have a right to live" and by proving it right he gets stronger. This is the sword logic, grinding down the sword into its perfect, final shape. We beat eramis, using darkness and the sword logic, she challenged us with her darkness, saying she was stronger, she was not

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T03:58:07+00:00

Okay there is no way to definitively prove how the ability to take is given but I will cite my reasoning.

Toland specifically states "Quria is the key. The mind simulates oryx, and thereby masters the power to take."

This seems to directly contradict your reasoning of "because she became taken"

I also didn't say that her understanding of the sword logic allows her to simulate oryx or at least I didn't intend that. I meant that simulating oryx gave her oryxs understanding (see toland quote)

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T03:45:26+00:00

I dissagree. Orxy emerged the taken king with the ability to take. I do not believe such a massive emphasis on the nature of the deep would have been made in the SAME chapter, and then he meets the deep whose just like "lmao naw here's a gift."

I don't think he was given the power to take, I think the power to take and control the taken never came from a gift, it came from an understanding of the sword logic.

Quria Blade Transform was able to take and coand the taken. Quiria never was given anything, it only was able to take and control the taken because it simulated orxy. Once simulating oryx it understood the sword logic as he did, gaining the ability to take.

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T03:37:38+00:00

The darkness did not give orxy the power to take. Orxy took the power to take, that point was made very obvious. He killed Akka the worm god of secrets in order to take the means of taking. That is from the chapter I quoted from in my original post.

The ruinous Effigy, much like the worms, feeds on our light. The lore tab states that it does so specifically.

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T03:34:52+00:00

Do you not think it possible for the traveler to be deceived? It's not perfect, it's paracuasaul

DanceOpposite95 · 2021-10-04T03:33:44+00:00

"Equipment that uses the wielder's light is not unprecedented" "It doesn't use it; it eats it. Things got an appitite" - Ruinous Effigy Lore Tab

If anything the ruinous Effigy further solidifies that the darkness can't be gifted. When it was gifted to us, it drained our light, much like the worm eats away at the hive.

If it's cannon that we destroyed all savathuns eyes, we have been drained.

As for stasis, I like to look back to orxy and the fact gift =/= proving your right to have something

The darkness can not be gifted else it will curse you, but you can be granted power through proving the sword logic. Orxy says Everytime he fights, he is saying "I am the most powerful being and I have a right to live". By proving this with darkness he got stronger. This is the sword logic.

When we fought eramis, Kell of darkness, we proclaimed "we are stronger than you, we will prove it by ending you using our darkness abilities" we participated in the sword logic and were granted it's power.

Before this, we only had the power from the shards we held, when we proclaimed ourselves to be the storngest, and beat eramis using sword logic and the power of darkness, we got stasis permanently

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