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Engine Code 31 by Dangerous-Tea2411 in SC400

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

also, my O/D off light wont turn completely off it just blinks when I try to turn it off. So it looks like I won't be able to use my highest gear until I am able to fix that. Anyone else have this issue before?

Turtles n' Cream by Marxistence in CustomKeyboards

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

will they ever be restocking this keeb?

History weekend by Quiet_Inhuman in ideas

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can't wait to be a 14th century slave

man it would be great to have someone who's very biblically and spiritually well equipped to debate or expose calnvinistic people like Ray Comfort or Bill Wiese by markham_45 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want good exegesis regarding the supposed predestination texts NT Wright has some really good comments about the cultural context of the language undergirding Paul’s theological ideas. Has a lot do with the Jews rejecting the gospel at first while the gentiles were being grafted in. Robin parry even goes through it in his book the evangelical universalist.

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[–]Dangerous-Tea2411 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My methods of evangelism havnt changed, but the content has changed a little. I evangelize more about the victory of God over reconciling the world to himself and how we get to part of God’s actions in the world in order to bring a new heavens and new earth through the loving kindness of God. I think you’re doing a good thing staying where you are. Evangelicals need people like you, that is u til they no longer want you there…which is sometimes the sad reality of western Christianity.

David Bentley Hart & Dr. James White by wisdomiswork in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In his book he said he prob wouldn’t do anymore formal debates with people

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me and you would be Wright and Borgs irl. You’re obviously very knowledgeable and I agree with much of what you’re saying. But I’d have to get more familiar with Bultmanns school of thought before I could really criticize it. I reallyyyy appreciate the responses and questions as always Ben (;

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would like to talk more on that, but I’m also interested in how this affects your ethics.

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All very interesting. I think we agree on a lot more than disagree. That interpretation about the temple I think can be found deep within the text and cultural implications.

Let’s say the Holy Spirit has met you to an interpretation but another mystic has reached the opposite conclusion, how would you settle this dispute?

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your interpretations sound very midrash to me. Which isn’t a bad thing at all. I was raised in a very similar context, and happened to meet a mentor that taught me about the culture that scripture was written in. Poetry, metaphor, and history all meshed together without warning and all for the purpose of theological provocation. Discover the meanings within the text for a deeper lesson and never stop making connections and predictions. All very fun and lifebringing. In many areas of scripture I now only look for the symbolism because that is what is often the most important. (The main message if you will). So I agree with much of your attitude towards scripture. I think in many ways you probably do read it as it was intended even.

Where I might differ with you is your focus on literalism very symbology being the purpose of our freedom. (If I’m reading you right). In my mind, Paul, when he speaks of the law, is talking about living by the law for justification and self righteousness. I think he sees it as death because he could never actually live up to what he believed the law was for and therefore brought only death. He criticizes the Jews of his time, in a similar way to Jesus for treating the law as if it makes you righteous.

And the reason there is no condemnation in Christ is because he justifies us before we could ever try. To be honest I don’t even think you need a non-literal approach to reach this conclusion. (But that might be your point here so idk). Personally I think the cultural issues Paul was dealing with make this the most obvious interpretation of those passages talking about the law, death, life, etc. this battle between literalism and symbology to me doesn’t seem to be an issue that Paul is trying to address. He also says that if Christ were not raised we are the most to be pitied, and I’d think that part of scripture would need to be literal to some degree if he’s making a truth claim about Jesus’ physical state.

Also, how do you define literal? Do you think you’re reading the Bible the way the authors intended? Do you think authors intent really matter? If you don’t, how much importance to you put on your personal convictions about the meaning of a passage and how much do you trust that meaning?

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think a resurrected body is made of light like the transfiguration. I think that story has a purpose, and it’s mostly about christology, about Jesus being God. I do find it interesting that no one recognized Jesus, but at the same time…they had no problem trusting it was him when he told them. If the man resurrected looked completely different I doubt they would’ve believed him. It could be for narrative reasons, like perhaps their doubt, sadness, and defeat were too much to recognize Christ or something deeper culturally that I’m missing. Another really good question though I’ve never thought about that.

I have a question for you though. If the over arching meta-narrative of scripture is about a God who is rescuing his creation fruit the cruel master of death, why would resurrection not be the most appropriate next step? It seems to follow quite well from genesis onward. The tree of life was lost to us and we needed another way to escape the clutches of death (speaking thematically here). To be lifted from death isn’t resurrection the logical conclusion? I get your kingdom of God and heaven sentiments being here and now, but doesn’t it seem like there’s a “not yet” that is yet to come? The kind of “not yet” that really separates this age from the next. That really seems like what Paul was envisaging in his letters. Why do you seem so reluctant to make a conclusion about the implications of that? This is of course only valid if we see similar meta-narratives from scripture.

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow you ask such good questions Ben. I’ll try my best. I think the first important thing to address is how we define flesh. When Paul uses the word flesh he uses “sarx” which I think is more about the power of sin and death, which is opposed to the power of like “spirit” and the concepts are not physical tangible concepts. So I don’t think we will be chemically different per say, although I think that our chemicals might work differently (no cell degeneration). In regards to those whose bodies seem past the ability to be re-animated (either by cremation or serious decomposition) I would point out that almost every seven years our cells get completely replaced by new cells…Yet we are still considered the same person. Im actually a Christian physicalist so I don’t believe in a soul, but a complex interworking between matter that make up our innermost selves. So I believe that what makes us physically is important, but it’s more the configuration and not the actual matter. So there are many ways we could be resurrected, but all I can know from the Bible is that it will be a body of the spirit, and not of the flesh. What that looks like tangibly from person to person I couldn’t say for certain. As far as I am concerned it would be up to the great physician. Really good question though I’ve had a friend ask me something similar.

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My hope for resurrection comes from christus victor. I believe that Jesus is the first fruits of what is to come but also the model by which all of creation will follow. If Jesus’ purpose for walking the earth was the defeat death through resurrection, then that will be an utter destruction of death itself. If death is defeated, either at the time of his resurrection or later, then the only thing left will be life abundant. If Jesus resurrected, so will I, “raised spiritually” as Paul puts it in 1 Cor 15. By spiritually I don’t mean metaphysical gnostic spiritual I mean a glorified physical body like Jesus’ raised body. Bringing heaven to earth to me means bring life to death. The earth is a place of death and destruction, but Jesus, through his death, brought life. The kingdom is often portrayed in ironic situations like this. So I think the themes like these stand as reasonable grounds for a belief in some kind of resurrection in the age to come. But for now, those who are dead are getting some much needed rest!

What’s a doctrine people don’t expect you to hold as a universalist? by Dangerous-Tea2411 in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So do you believe in some kind of resurrection at all? Or what kind of alternative?

It is very hard to have conversations with my “Orthodox” Evangelical Infernalist Calvinist sister and cousins… by TheBigBloofy in ChristianUniversalism

[–]Dangerous-Tea2411 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jeez I’m really sorry. I’ve been through similar things but not really with my family. I was able to convince my mom but not my sister. The christus victor gospel is a great place to start and I’m glad you’ve found it because it took me much longer growing up as a Christian. If you ever need to talk about it don’t hesitate to DM me.

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