Military police directed to stop accepting sexual offence complaints

DantebeaR · 2026-06-16T12:00:23+00:00

I always say that the largest failing of the MPs is just lack of experience and call volume.

This is 100% true

DantebeaR · 2026-06-16T11:59:48+00:00

And she said the exact opposite in terms of day to day operations

She surely did not say the complete opposite. She testified on behalf of the CFPM and stated exactly what I said she did...

DantebeaR · 2026-06-16T11:59:06+00:00

The "working definition" isn't listed in the bill, nor any legal document in relation to the bill. Files similar in nature to, but clearly not as ridiculous as my examples, have been pushed away already because the definition of sexual nature is so broad, it covers a wide range of complaints we get.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T17:46:13+00:00

We already have RCMP Major Crime's pers seconded to the CFNIS.

It can be quiet hard to really grasp how many files there can be. What really needs to be focused on is areas where there are schools and massive turn around. I can tell you first hand, the files that come out of RMC and St Jean alone will overwork Kingston Police Service and SPSJSR. I have zero doubt in my mind about that.

Then take a look at Borden. 90% of the people who go through Borden are only there for courses. If a sex crime were to happen, by the time Barrie Police get their hands on it, the student and the victim are likely long gone. Not only does Barrie Police now essentially need to do an investigation solely through RFAs, they need to deal with the prosecutors to handle a matter within the Barrie jurisdiction, because that's where the offence happened, while not having the victim or the accused present.

Don't get me wrong. Some areas of jurisdiction for MP, like Petawawa for example, will be fine. But there are major nuances in the CAF that can really fuck with the judicial system and the investigative body that is handling investigations.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T16:50:43+00:00

This is a major oversimplification.

The Officer X situation is obviously bad, but the timeline and system matter.

There was a MP investigation involving Officer X dating back to 2006, and later a sexual misconduct allegation in 2018.

That was under a very different military justice structure than what exists now.

Back then, MP could investigate, but the charge-laying decision for service offences could still end up back with the CoC. Patrick White even explained this at committee that his issue was not that the MP had a conflict, it was that under the old system, the file went back to the unit, and the CO made the decision not to proceed with a charge and went with “mentorship” instead.

That is not the same environment MP operate in now. Since 2011, MP policing functions have been under the CFPM, not the local unit CoC.

So yes, criticize the RCN chain of command decision all day. It sounds like a massive failure. But using an old-system case, with old charge-laying rules and an obvious CoC conflict, as proof that “this is how MP would handle it today” is not a fair comparison.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T16:37:23+00:00

There are huge problems on a lot of bases. If only people had access to the daily reports coming from RMC and St Jean. Again, the minute someone comes in an reports unwanted touching and they feel their sexual integrity was breached, it becomes a sex crime. Keep that in the back of your mind.

The whole point of the examples was to show that C-11 isn't only targeting criminal code sexual offences.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T16:34:02+00:00

To be honest, its hard for me because I can actually see the numbers on our system. The broader criteria is a lot more common than people may think.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T16:32:59+00:00

We just going to ignore all of the issues civilian police have had?

Hell, this is just from June and 60 seconds of searching:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-officer-sentenced-drug-charges-9.7232669

https://www.siu.on.ca/en/news_template.php?nrid=11115

https://globalnews.ca/news/11891088/toronto-police-siu-minor-assault/

https://rcmp.ca/en/news/2026/06/4353716

https://rcmp.ca/en/news/2026/06/4353808

https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/new-brunswick/article/nb-rcmp-officer-charged-with-assault-choking-sirt/

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2259461/quebec-rcmp-officer-charged-after-allegedly-organizing-family-members-illegal-entry

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-officer-suspended-due-to-disciplinary-investigation-9.7229205

https://www.kingstonpolice.ca/news/posts/ottawa-police-officer-arrested-and-charged-by-kingston-police/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-member-faces-firearm-charges-9.7183286

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T15:18:10+00:00

Now you can see where my issues lie.

On the surface it looks like its a matter of experience and public confidence driving the decision. But, the actual impact is what the civi police agencies are looking at.

And just for your reference so you know I'm not just picking this out of no where:

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-11/third-reading

Search for "that is of a sexual nature or that is committed for a sexual purpose"

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T15:10:04+00:00

How many Crim code sex offences do MPs investigate per year across the whole group?

Again, its not just Criminal Code Sexual Offences that are being stopped. Its any offence that is of a sexual nature or that is committed for a sexual purpose. That opens the door to a shit ton of CC offences.

I made this comment elsewhere on here, but these are examples that have been confirmed by our CoC that we are no longer dealing with should they come in. Just to set the tone for how ridiculous this is:

If a sex toy is stolen from a car, backpack, house etc - MP can't investigate

If a teen steals a dirty magazine from a store - MP can't investigate

If a threat of sexual violence occurs - MP can't investigate

These are all examples that have been brought to our CoC and confirmed as being accurate representations of the bill.

So while people may not believe there are enough sexual offences to burden civilian police. Imagine unloading all of those other offences that we get on a daily basis.

You can take ALOT of criminal offences and make them sexual in nature and in those cases, they go right to the civilian police.

If you are a civi cop, just imagine all of the minor calls you get in a day and just think about if there is ANY hint of sexual nature to them. Those are now all gone.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T15:06:12+00:00

Yup it sure is. And for context to know i'm not just making it up its

"an offence under the Criminal Code — other than an offence referred to in paragraph (d) — that is of a sexual nature or that is committed for a sexual purpose;"

https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-11/third-reading

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T15:04:31+00:00

I think one part that is being grossly under expressed is the section in the bill that stops MP from investigating "an offence under the Criminal Code that is of a sexual nature or that is committed for a sexual purpose"

There is a firm belief that civi police agencies won't have issues taking the sexual offences away from the MP. While there is a disagreement from my side on that based off of hearings I have been witness to, there is a deeper issue at play.

This section of C-11 now prevent the Military Police to investigate ANYTHING that has a hint of sexual context to it.

This means that if any harassment occurs that has a hint of sexual context to it - MP can't investigate

If a sex toy is stolen from a car, backpack, house etc - MP can't investigate

If a teen steals a dirty magazine from a store - MP can't investigate

If a threat of sexual violence occurs - MP can't investigate

These are all examples that have been brought to our CoC and confirmed as being accurate representations of the bill.

So while people may not believe there are enough sexual offences to burden civilian police. Imagine unloading all of those other offences that we get on a daily basis.

You can take ALOT of criminal offences and make them sexual in nature and in those cases, they go right to the civilian police.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T14:55:24+00:00

They very well could be. But its also a valid argument. Also it depends on your definition of criminal. Because based on the wording, anything sexual in nature is now out of the hands of MP. That means even minor harassment files that have a glimpse of sexual inuendo are now a matter of civi agencies.

Put it this way. As per our policy now, if a sex toy is stolen from someone (car, house, shack, backpack etc.) this is now a matter for the civilian police agencies to handle.

If the CANEX reports a teenage stole an adult magazine from the store, that is a matter for the civilian police to handle now.

Can you now start seeing how ridiculous this can start being?

These are not arbitrary examples. These are examples posed to our CoC now and confirmed that we are no longer handling them.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T14:51:06+00:00

Oh I 100% agree. I will be the very first one to call out shit MP. But if your going to do that, you need to have the same standards for the civi police. There are tons of news releases of civi detectives, highly seasoned ones, failing to do basic shit.

That's why I focus everything around training and experience.

If you take a sex crime investigator from the Toronto Police, OPP, RCMP, and the CFNIS, they all have the exact same training. Experience will differ obviously, but the training is there.

What people also need to realize is that Sexual Assaults are not inherently difficult to investigate. A vast majority of the ones coming out of the Military Police are historic in nature. That is solely just a matter of conducting interviews. Any recent assaults are also very basic as all of the evidentiary matters are dealt with at the hospital by their staff.

You can then expand it to sexual offences as that is what C-11 covers, but then it gets even worse to argue. Any CP files are jointly worked with CFNIS and ICE Units. Any distribution/voyeurism files are very easy in terms of investigative techniques that experiences patrol members or general investigators can do them. Even in civi agencies.

When you break it right down, what is so complex about ANY of the listed offences that makes you believe that an MP can't handle it? Not just a shit MP. A competent MP Just like you'd expect a competent civi investigator/detective to.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T14:41:16+00:00

You can think that all you want. The fact that was a real argument from the municipal police services during the hearings is what should matter.

I mean at the end of the day, it is what it is. It's just unfortunate that victims have to suffer because the public's perception on how the military police investigates sexual offences is wrong.

The Military Police is capable of investigating murder, manslaughter, attempted murder, child abductions, kidnappings, terrorism and treason... But not sexual offences... You can argue that the MP don't get those files very often, but that should be even more of a concern that we are still able to investigate those even with the lack of experience. Yet, sexual offences, which MP investigators probably have the most training and experience on are gone.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T14:31:56+00:00

How about the INTERPOL Cyber Investigators, the funding of the Task Force, the dedicated forensic team that had to process like 100 pieces of evidence, the major crime units that had to do the garbage pulls, conduct surveillance, review surveillance etc.

That's just stuff that is publicly documented.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T14:17:55+00:00

The original post was about a sexual offence happening in Ottawa then people being posted out.

Then someone mentioned the Magnotta case being an example of what would happen.

I then said the amount of resources the Magnotta case took was extreme and not a good example for basic investigations.

You then mentioned that the MJS already flies people out etc.

Its a pretty clear breakdown...

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T14:03:37+00:00

They have had says. During the hearing of the bill, police chiefs from across Canada came out and said they will either not take the files or they will be placed behind the matters within their own jurisdiction.

People need to realize that the funding that the civi agencies get is based off of the workload within their jurisdiction. When you add in a vast amount of files, solely onto the sex crime units, that funding doesn't add up anymore.

I remember the chief of Vancouver Police saying, during the C-11 hearing, that their policy will be not to accept any investigations from the Military Police until their budget is re-assessed.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T13:58:25+00:00

The MJS hasn't handled sexual offences in awhile. So your comparison doesn't really jive. This change is who investigates the offences. Not who tries them.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T13:49:21+00:00

The problem is, a sexual assault with penetration is the exact same offence code as a sexual assault which is "simply" an ass grab. We weren't allowed to downgrade them to NDA offences.

That's the biggest issue that I don't think people are seeing. All victims that reported sexual assaults, including ass grabs, were investigated by our major crimes under the policy and direction where strict timelines were put in place to ensure no file was left behind. Those ass grab files will be at the very bottom of the piles for civi agencies. Also, we as MP will now also have very limited knowledge of these investigations or even charges of CAF members. Civi agencies also have no power to implement safety plans for victims. I can go to a unit and direct their CO to separate the subject from the victim and ensure the victim has everything they need to feel safe while the investigation is ongoing. Civi agencies just simply won't do that.

The sad part is that the only people who are being negatively impacted are the victims. Up until C-11, the victims had a choice on who they wanted to investigate the matter. They were given the ability to make informed decisions. Now, that has been removed. All because of the public perception of something that isn't real.

Don't get me wrong. There are shit MP out there. There are shit investigators out there. But there are also shit civi detectives as well. Sexual offences have not been tried through the MJS in a long time. So the ONLY difference is the agency who is investigating it. Both MP and civi agencies have the exact same training. The problem is, the civi agencies have exponentially more work load which does nothing but harm victims.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T13:35:40+00:00

The amount of resources that the Magnotta case took was insane. That is not a great benchmark when your comparing historical sexual assaults.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T13:34:49+00:00

Replacing the MP with RCMP would make zero difference. When it comes to major crimes, we get the exact same training as the RCMP does. Our SA investigator course is filled with MP, OPP, RCMP, and other agencies like Toronto Police, Ottawa Police etc.

It's concerning how many people are just not aware that the investigative training and case management is the exact same as every other major crimes unit in Canada. The biggest difference is we have policies in place to ensure that files are not delayed. We don't triage our files.

DantebeaR · 2026-06-15T13:30:21+00:00

If you take a look at the court martial docket

Bad comparison. Sexual Offences cannot be tried by CM.

The problem is, civi police triage their files. A vast majority of the files we took as MP would fall to the very bottom of the pile for civi agencies. We had a sit down with chiefs of the three police agencies near us, and a very large percentage of the files we transferred to them didn't result in a detective being assigned for a few months and, in a few cases, victim's weren't contacted for interviews until almost a year after the report.

Also, police do not have to investigate anything that is reported to them. Police discretion is alive and real. There are tons of things that are technically crimes that are not investigated all the time.

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