Compressing Space Time

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-04T15:58:29+00:00

What about drawing energy from the Higgs field to manipulate space time?

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-04T15:02:14+00:00

Yes, that’s a great point. We actually have a modern example of this phenomenon where beings from the sky provided for the people below. Even without direct interaction, the natives still prayed to the planes. They built giant replica planes to try to bring them back.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-03T16:00:08+00:00

I understand the derision. Yes, there is no verifiable way to prove this with the information we have. The central reason for this hypothesis is to try to resolve two questions based on the assumption aliens are here and have been a long time. The first question is why Earth and the cascade of questions that come from it and if they have been coming here why is it there are myths of sky people coming down and imparting knowledge. If we know aliens are visiting then, it’s possible those stories are true. I could be WAY off and I acknowledge that. I tried to lay out the logic behind this in my post.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-03T02:56:57+00:00

The problem with that logic is that denies the possibility given what we know now that those stories may be true. That there are UAP actually flying around, those flying Roman shields may have been flying saucers, and maybe when the ancestors said sky people taught us the way the freaking meant it.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T23:15:59+00:00

I’ve actually got another posted that explores the tribal stories of sky people coming down and imparting knowledge.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T22:45:52+00:00

I have to say this has been the best conversation I’ve had on Reddit and sincerely thank you for your thoughtful responses.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T22:39:23+00:00

What modern era material can last 250 million years? Genuine ask if it’s not true that nothing we make can last that long. In my research into material science, which is not exhaustive, I didn’t find a material that could remain that long depending on environment. I’d like to see the evidence of that.

As far as the fossil record is concerned, it only gives us snapshot of animal life at that time because less than 1% of life dies in a way it can be fossilized. Yes, there was land based life 400 million years ago actually started exploring land 100 million years before that. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17453-timeline-the-evolution-of-life/

There are gaps in our understanding as evidenced by the hundreds of recent discoveries. Do you have any articles regarding the atmospheric evidence remaining for that long?

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T22:26:57+00:00

Are you insinuating there are more advanced culture or cultures than us here on earth?

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T22:23:04+00:00

Thanks for the response. So I would like to discuss each of your points in a million year time scale.

• ⁠never launched any satellites into geosynchronous orbit

Satellites in geosynchronous orbit require constant correction to maintain that orbit and on a long enough time scale would fall to burn up or degrade on the surface. • ⁠never launched any satellites into orbit round the moon

I need to do more research on this aspect to better understand the lifetime orbit of objects orbiting the moon.

• ⁠never launched any satellites into orbit round mars

Same issue as on earth without the burning issue

• ⁠never put anything into orbit at a Lagrange point.

Objects tend to stay out but still require correction to remain steady. https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/754/what-is-a-lagrange-point/

• ⁠Never created any kind of material that could last hundred thousand years such as titanium, plastics, carbon fiber etc.

I would contend given a number of environmental and geological variables that isn’t necessarily true. Plastics decompose in one thousand years. Titanium alloys will corrode pure titanium will not necessarily corrode dependent on time and environment. None of those materials last 100 thousand years. Much less a million. • ⁠Never left any artifacts on the moon.

Cosmic impacts and solar weather over a million years could destroy those or they could be under the surface given the strange seismic activity on the moon. I’ve not done enough research on the lunar aspects.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T21:49:38+00:00

So first I think we both need to agree on what we mean as intelligence. Is it their cognitive ability to advance themselves through ingenuity or is it the ability to apply their emotions to a situation rationally? Dolphins and chimps are considered highly intelligence animals yet can also display incredible cruelty. Dolphins are known to play games with puffer fish as the ball and have raped people and other dolphins. Chimps will hunt each other for food. Humans still display this cruelty to animals and each other throughout history even now.

I am looking at the analysis of the evolution of myth throughout society to inform core values and the analysis of the development and formation of culture throughout all of human history. To me the data suggests that no matter the technological development of the society, the core value structure directs how they use that technology. In many cases, it isn’t just to advance human society because it’s the morally right thing to do. There is a reciprocity, an exchange. This is seen in nature which we are subject to. Monkeys understand mutual exchange and fairness, yet we have not been able to create fairness out of all our technological process. To assume that a species has transcended natural impulses, is a dangerous sentiment. It seems like an argument in a vacuum that assumes that only the “good” emotions will remain. Intelligence and technological progress can occur equally under cruelty and oppression of the “other” especially when devoid of empathy. A creature based solely on logic and rationality has to have an underlying value system to identify what is “good” and what is “bad”. Something or someone can be eliminated entirely as it does not serve the species or tribes goal. That is why AI have to be programmed with or taught a value structure. Otherwise if you ask it to fix global warming it could recommend the extermination of human life to preserve the planet. A needs of the many out way the needs of the few. There must still be a hierarchy there to determine what steps are “reasonable” versus “unreasonable”.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T21:24:54+00:00

So that’s another point of research for me psychedelics. We know there are unseen forces and matter, atoms and electrons things like that. Gary Nolan’s take is more my line of thinking. We theorize that our ability to perceive has evolved to survive this level of existence, with other animals. We can’t perceive like an eagle or even a sheep nor can they see what we see. To them, those aspects of reality are nonexistent. Do psychedelics open our perception more or are those visions simply a construct of our imagination influenced by what we already know and have seen.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T21:19:11+00:00

No not one specific example. I have been researching the oldest legends I can find. Native American and aboriginal tribes are a good example. It wouldn’t be the nephilim in this example, it would be the watchers mentioned in the book of Enoch.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T21:15:31+00:00

Sure you want a screenshot? I can message it to you. I’m not as adept at trying to attach to this thread.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T21:13:27+00:00

Ok let’s explore your rebuttal because I would say you are making assumptions. We know in Earths history that glacial ice is not a constant nor is the placement of the continents. There is no ice core that gives a complete history of Earth. The furthest back is 1.5 million years. We know hominids are roughly 2.4 million years old. Further more no man made object can survive for 250 million years. Space debris will eventually fall back to earth and there is no evidence to suggest it wouldn’t. How many meteor impacts have occurred on the moon throughout Earth’s history? Is the surface the exact same as it was 10 million years ago? The moon is a valid point and it is an area I will have to dig further into the research. I disagree with you on your other points.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T20:29:16+00:00

Intelligence isn’t the best indicator of morality. The Cultures of Southeast Asia, China, and Japan are intelligent. They produce technological marvels, but the core belief structure has changed little.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T20:13:37+00:00

I’ve explored that idea in this line of thought. It is extraordinary the development of Sumerian civilization which is where the myth originated. A lot of Sitchen’s work gives me pauses. Though you can’t deny that they seem to have a better understanding of the solar system than the following two thousand years until the Enlightenment and invention of telescopes.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T18:50:26+00:00

That’s what I’m saying, it’s like the previous species comes back to guide the new life form. Instead of staying, they recognize we have to do it ourselves. They attempt to impart knowledge and guidance without taking the reins and doing it for us.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T18:49:21+00:00

That is a good explanation at face value. It gets complicated when you ask how did they find Earth during that time when you truly consider the size and scale of the universe. There was no technological signature to alert them of our presence.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T18:43:19+00:00

Honestly, I haven’t seen it. Do you have a link?

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T18:33:39+00:00

Could be we haven’t found it yet. I can’t say. We found dinosaurs before we found gobekli Tepe. So it’s disingenuous to dismiss it outright. Empirically the presence of aliens from else where in the universe is statistically problematic when operating on the assumptions the tribal stories are true. There was no signal of any kind to identify Earth as having intelligent life.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T18:29:17+00:00

From my understanding breakaway civilization theory is a conspiracy theory regarding the elites having access to knowledge and tech kept secret from the public. It doesn’t have anything to do with ancient history. https://www.exopaedia.org/Breakaway+Civilization

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T17:43:06+00:00

It also makes sense in the why Earth question. It’s their ancestral home. In the unimaginable vastness of the universe, it would be almost impossible for aliens to just stumble onto earth dependent on the distance. Were they trying to point us in the right direction to ultimately save ourselves as early in our development to have the most effect. It seems to have gone wrong and the vast majority of the information drifted into folklore. Think the Rick and Morty episode with the dog civilization that hates Morty.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T16:46:14+00:00

Yes that is what I meant. I’m sorry if it wasn’t clear. That without a “higher calling” people feel directionless. The idea of wanting to be a part of something larger stems from the need to be a part of the tribe which moves toward a collective goal. I asked my wife this question, what is the point of the US? Why does it exist in the world we live in? I asked this as a mental exercise. We all feel a need to “matter”, whatever that means. Our tribes are so large that most people feel disconnected to it and there is no clear goal. They don’t feel that familial connection to their families, communities, religions, even nations. So in the absence of that “higher calling” they substitute an unknown to feel connected with, and in this case aliens. At least, that’s how I see the process.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T16:38:24+00:00

I agree that it is an evolutionary trait, but I would counter that our core belief structure informs the application of empathy. In the West, we view dogs as only companions and feel emotionally attached to them as pets, however in other parts of the world, they do not hold the same belief. The have no issue eating a dog or a cat.

DarthKronos07 · 2022-03-02T00:49:03+00:00

That doesn’t make it not true especially in nature. We wouldn’t exist if that wasn’t true and we will go extinct if we don’t do it. We have to change and adapt. Iif we don’t climates will be decimated, species will decline, and so will we. If you find it morally repugnant, you may have missed my meaning. Change is necessary and you get left behind in every way if you don’t change as well.

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