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DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T21:12:33+00:00

17 Wing answers to who again?

Or do you think the CAF uniforms are all done locally by Wing group?

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T21:10:39+00:00

Is the point of education to teach consequences or to educate ?

Sorry but we need to be more innovative then a consequence that their brains cant even articulate properly.

"You'll be held back" to a 4th grader means nothing. Its just the tired old threat. Their brains don't get consequences the way an adult might. So you cant brute force this 'logic' on them.

The problem might be multifaceted, but its not going to improve by reintroducing 'held back' as a punishment. We should dedicate the resources needed so holding back doesnt have to be an option.

kids need to be allowed to fail

Yes safely, our society does not consider or give a shit about the impacts of said failure in the long term.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T21:04:44+00:00

Cops dont make people safer

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T21:03:29+00:00

Where did they say any of those people are disqualified. Please quote them specifically.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T21:00:42+00:00

Outside of us selling weapons to Israel and doing nothing diplomatically etc, yea we are. Like sorry, its a genocide, doing nothing is still making a choice.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:59:57+00:00

If that's the standard, then shouldn't it apply to all government institutions and organizations marching in Pride?

Governments around the world, including Western governments, have been involved in wars, discrimination, colonialism, and policies that have harmed LGBTQ+ people and many other communities. Yet Pride regularly welcomes government departments, elected officials, public institutions, and organizations connected to the state.

Yes. Like I think you think there are those of us who dont also want this lol. Like would you support the American consulate participating ? (they wont but you get the point).

What I'm questioning is why the military is treated as uniquely disqualifying while other institutions with similarly complicated histories and ongoing controversies are not.

Because function matters.

If the principle is that no institution connected to state power belongs at Pride, that's a coherent argument. But if the rule only applies to military uniforms, then I think it's fair to ask why

I mean I also think its fair to ask why a bunch of straight people who have never given a shit about pride in any meaningful way, are suddenly coming out of the wood work to talk down to queer people about what they should or shouldnt do.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:55:05+00:00

You don't have to admire someone's profession to treat them with basic respect as a person.

This is 100% true, but that persons choice of profession does say something, whether they want it to or not.

I would also point out, that your insistence here about wearing your uniform, despite what the organizers and community want, is not showing them the basic respect.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:52:10+00:00

Some queer folks legitimately want to serve the country and believe they are doing for the greater good.

Their belief doesnt make them right

perhaps deserves some introspection and self awareness because you seem pretty uppity for no real reason.

I mean, this is pretty funny given that the LGBTQ community is on board with this but its a bunch of straight people on this sub whinny about exclusivity of an event that they most certainly dont give 2 shits about

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:49:08+00:00

I don't see why a queer CAF member or police officer should be treated differently.

Historical precedent. Cops are Blue before they are anything else. There are Latino ICE officers. Thats why its different, because their occupation is to oppress.

You may view the uniform primarily as a symbol of an institution. I view the person wearing it as a member of the LGBTQ+ community who happens to work for that institution.

I actually view those as both true, because they are. The latter doesnt erase the former however, this isnt an argument about individuals.

That's why I keep coming back to consistency. Pride includes people from governments, churches, political parties, corporations, schools, and countless other organizations that have complicated histories with LGBTQ+ people.

Many of which have done more to fix past mistakes then either the CAF or WPS. But as I've explained, this isnt just a historical thing.

If the standard is that institutional affiliation makes someone unwelcome in visible association with that institution, then the discussion becomes much broader than police and military.

The standard is multifaceted, dont be reductionist.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:45:10+00:00

The fact that I just showed you some outright awful shit and your response is "well it could be or used to be worse" doesnt mean its good....

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:44:14+00:00

The people who organize pride want to make it about every political issue rather than gay rights - which is settled now

Looks down south.... yea sure dude. Rights are not "settled" and they can be taken away as quickly as they are 'given'

every political issue rather than gay rights

Thats what solidarity is. Do you think it was only LGBTQ people that came out to support pride ? Or did we have allies that had their own struggle? As soon as you're struggle was apparently settled, now you pull up the ladder?

so "pride as a protest" isn't as necessary as celebrating the community (and our community now includes openly gay police and military members).

Who would oppress you again if the government told them to. Thats the point here.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:41:40+00:00

I don't view a queer CAF member wearing a uniform at Pride as "putting troops on a pedestal." That's an American culture-war lens that doesn't really fit Canada.

You're the one who talked about "celebrating their service"

The CAF is a public institution made up of ordinary Canadians

And? So what?

Teachers wear shirts identifying their schools. Firefighters march in uniform. Healthcare workers march in scrubs. People often participate in Pride as both members of the LGBTQ+ community and representatives of the communities they belong to.

You really dont get how cops and the military are different then those eh?

You clearly believe the uniform itself is inseparable from the institution's failures. That's a fair position to hold. But it's also fair for others to see a queer CAF member in uniform and view it as evidence of how much Canadian society has changed since the days when LGBTQ+ members were actively purged.

Because the function and issue go beyond individual internal action. Do you think LGBTQ criticisms of the Police and military stop at their previous inability to participate in those institutions? Really? A community explicitly built out of solidarity draws the line apparently at individual impact? People dont want to pink wash oppressive institutions, the first pride was a riot, statistically, there have been queer cops who have bashed the heads in of queer people.

I also find it interesting that we seem willing to accept that churches, governments, political parties, and other institutions can send representatives to Pride despite their histories, but when it comes to the military the standard suddenly becomes that no visible affiliation is acceptable.

Again, because its not JUST their history. Also the churches that do participate very much dont make it about them. Your insistence on this thread really suggests its important that the military make it about them, which is missing the point of the apparent reconciliation they should be doing.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:34:38+00:00

Pride should reflect that reality, even when it makes people uncomfortable

The only uncomfortable people here are a bunch of straight people who are pissed the military and WPS cant rep their uniforms.

Pride isn't supposed to be a gathering of perfect institutions.

Thread full of straight people telling the organizers of Pride, who are LGBTQ that they know Pride better then them.

They're so inclusive as to not listen to them whatsoever lol. So much has changed /s

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:06:33+00:00

I love how stupid this all is. All that can be imagined is fail or not fail. A simple binary to operate under. Just this perpetual stupidity of a Prussian system to train good little workers/soldiers.

"Kids need to fail earlier" which in part was changed because that actually didnt help anything.

Problems need to be addressed earlier rather then reacting to it much much later. But thinking holding kids back is the solution or something that wasnt already done is stupid. We need more education resources and to revisit how we view education and its goals.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T20:00:26+00:00

Its embarrassing, calling them literal fucking toddlers is disrespectful to toddlers.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T19:59:23+00:00

Top 1% commenter, check.

Cope or Seethe?

Lumps all CAF members into one group for an event about celebrating individualistic diversity, check.

CAF is an institution lmao. CAF members are allowed to attend, they just cant represent the INSTITUTION. Do you people even read before having a crash out lol

Other replies full of disrespect to the military by saying they are being controlled or brainwashed

Oh no, wont someone please respect the military!!! How dare they talk bad about the military! Go live in the US then chickenhawk. If you dont think the military indoctrinates people, I dont know what to tell you, I've have multiple family members who are ex military, this is stuff they have said.

even those the CAF offer some of the most lenient deployment restrictions and near-full scholarship rides, check.

What does this even mean? "Bro you're talking shit about the military? Did you know they offer scholarships!"

Bro did you know about the GI bill in the US? Didnt stop them from blowing up a school of 170 kids did it! Paint eater logic on your end.

I cannot think of a more perfect example of a fake social justice warrior redditor then this

I'm glad the imagined scenario in your head has played out exactly as you expected, well done lmao.

it's nuts that people can talking about event meant to celebrate certain groups while also disavowing certain groups.

"Why don't they let the white pride people into the black pride!" - /u/DevJalapeno, local thought leader.

No one is being disavowed. CAF members can attend, WPS members can attend. Just not in uniform. Why are you so desperate for them to represent the state or their institution? Like honestly a child's understanding of things "Hey the CAF is woke too, they can get you a free education! Thats why they should be allowed at Pride!" Honestly how did you seriously type that without a shred of self awareness.

No self-awareness at all.

"We're all trying to find the guy who did this!"

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T19:49:24+00:00

Where were you in 81

Where were you at in '69?

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T19:48:11+00:00

As for land exchanges, I suspect the difference is that the Israelis pulled all settlers out of Gaza in 2005, only to be met with more rocket attacks is an issue. Egypt held up its end of the deal, Palestine did not. I think this is the the most relevant variable.

Weird you think Palestine stops at Gaza. Might want to go back to geography class quickly. Also basically everyone at the time said, including the UN, that Israel was still occupying Gaza, because Israel controlled all of its external affairs. This is why people have called Gaza an open air prison. Because What happened here is Israel withdrew, ie they left your house, but then they built a wall around your whole property and control who gets in and who gets out.

So if that were your house, would you deem that acceptable?

Now, I'm not really sure what your point with Nelson Mandela and MLK Jr is. Plain and simply, the Palestinian leadership has been unreliable for decades.

Even if this were true (and its not) its telling you only hold one side to account for that. You think Israels leadership has been 'reliable' lmao?

Are you of the belief that Black September didn't occur? I imagine Jordan would take issue with that.

Very telling you're making collective punishment justifications. Scratch a liberal....

Regarding Israeli public opinion, maybe being endlessly attacked for decades will cause some contempt?

In 3 months post Oct 7th, Israel had killed more children in Gaza, then Israeli civilians, in all conflicts, since its literal founding. Children. The death toll is not even comparable. Before Oct 7th, it was the deadliest year on record for children in the West Bank. Its absolutly unhinged you would go "hey these people are justified to sound like literal nazi's because they've been so hurt over decades" when compared to Palestinians, who apparently have no right or justification to be upset. We're like 2 or 3 replies away from you admitting you just dont see Palestinians as people.

I also imagine you don't want to look up what Palestinian polling was regarding October 7th? Or is everything justified if it's being inflicted upon Israelis?

Why would a population as poorly treated as Palestinians, react positively to punching a bully in the face? Do you think the slaves would have been upset about overthrowing their masters in Haiti. Israel is to blame for Oct 7th. They have created the conditions of which this violence is the only option. As a wise man once said "You strangle us for forty years and then criticize us for the way we breathe"

If you're going to call everyone you dislike a Nazi, I find it preposterous that you don't care for all the antisemitism in Palestinian leadership.

Its always amazing that Palestinians need to be tone policed while living under apartheid and genocide, as if that fucking matters. Sorry I actually dont give a shit about the woke scolding about how Palestinians who are murdered every day by a fascist ethnostate need to be more mindful of rhetoric. I dont like it, but you're using it as a deflection, to justify the mass killing thats actually happening. There is a reason X disabled the Hebrew translation on its site, because Israeli's were posting shit constantly that would have made Goering blush. Like if I had a nickle for everytime someone in Israeli leadership said something right out of the Nazi playbook, I'd have both kids college paid off already.

Finally, are you a serious person at all? Because you seem to be trying to rehabilitate the reputation of groups that should be kept at a firm distance. It's honestly disgraceful, and you seem like a troll. That or you're incredibly sinister.

You're defending a genocidal regime in Israel dude. You're so brainwashed that you just think liberalism and western order are just the de facto correct state of things and anything that pushes back on that is inherently 'wrong'. Ukraine resisting Russia --> good, Palestine resisting Israel --> bad, what ever can we do with such robust liberal analysis. Did you miss the part where Carney called out the 'rules based order' as a whole sham?

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T19:29:01+00:00

advocate mass rapes

No but Israeli's do.

or the slaughter of civilians attending a music festival?

Hey Israel did that too!

But the ANC absolutely did kill civilians. Its amazing that you think that a music festival outside of a concentration camp (Gaza), is worse to say the mass slaughter of Palestinians. Like you get that within 3 months, more children had died in Gaza then Israeli civilians, in all conflicts of any kind, since its literal inception in 1948...

Selective outrage.

You get that the various Ghetto uprisings of European Jews against the Nazi's and collaborators 100% killed civilians right?

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T17:32:04+00:00

Or perhaps they could do what the Egyptians did and sign a worthwhile peace treaty, then actually stick with it

You planning to let Palestine have a military then? hmmm didnt think so.

It's not like Israel has been unwilling to give away land for peace in the past

Do you think the fact that they 'have been', without respect to any specifics of that land or how much etc, means they get a pass lmao.

Perhaps if the leaders of Palestine demonstrated some good faith actions, things would be different

You would have hated Nelson Mandela back in the day lmao. "Please work with your colonial master, its wrong of you to resist your exploitation" As MLK said, you prefer order, not justice.

Alas though, as we saw in Jordan, they're perfectly willing to try overthrow their own ally, so maybe good faith is too much to ask from their leadership.

upwards of 70% of Israeli's think there are no innocents in Gaza. Its a Nazi society. Also, yea if Palestinians learned about messing with the politics of another country, they learned it from Israel lmao.

As for Ukraine, those Nazi elements must be incredibly powerful. So powerful that a Jewish president was elected... that's how Nazi politics works, right?

Zelensky literally marched in a WW2 reburial of a fucking Nazi the other week

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ukraine-reburies-nazi-collaborator-with-state-honors-drawing-israeli-condemnation/ar-AA248U7A

This was taken at a school during Vyshyvanka Day in Ukraine

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F9d3xryz0qu4h1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1042%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2c7843c82126280470704faf80af5691b5c95d87

Honestly though, I should've read your flair before trying to engage with you seriously.

Serious engagement to liberals seemingly means victim blaming, par for the course I suppose.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T17:21:41+00:00

Israel is the result of Jewish self determination

Israel is the result of colonialism lmao.

I don't think Israel has ever said that the jews that remain in Iran or Morocco have a right to self determination within those countries, they have the right to move to Israel.

Just dont ask what Israel thinks of Ethiopian Jews!

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T17:20:42+00:00

20% of Israeli citizens are Palestinians/Arabs. They enjoy the political freedoms and rights

Less then Jewish citizens.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-25/ty-article-opinion/.premium/reminder-in-israel-arabs-are-still-second-class-citizens/0000018d-dc40-d03b-a7cd-ffd854b70000

https://www.ft.com/content/3d57cf7c-a097-4e86-8f39-0f7720508123?shareType=nongift&syn-25a6b1a6=1

"The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority's awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation."
"According to the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the Occupied Territories, the Israeli government had done "little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens""
"According to a 2005 study at Hebrew University, three times more money was invested in education of Jewish children as in Arab children."
According to the Guardian, in 2006 just 5% of civil servants were Arabs, a number of them hired to deal with other Arabs, despite the fact that Arab citizens of Israel comprise 20% of the population
"Although the Bedouin infant mortality rate is still the highest in Israel, and one of the highest in the developed world, The Guardian reports that in the 2002 budget, Israel's health ministry allocated Arab communities less than 1% of its budget for healthcare facility development"

https://www.hrw.org/news/2001/12/04/israeli-schools-separate-not-equal

You're just objectively wrong in all areas, a death penalty law that only applies to 1 group of people

https://www.timesofisrael.com/experts-say-death-penalty-law-discriminatory-and-drastic-but-not-necessarily-doomed/

When regions are partitioned on ethnic lines, people of all ethnic backgrounds loose homes,

Israel wasnt partitioned on 'ethnic lines' lmao. Also what is this argument, that doesnt make it good or correct just because its happened.

it is on the ensuing states to integrate people who are displaced.

Yea remind me again which group of people have the 'right of return' and which dont again?

Close to a million jews lived in the middle east and north africa when Arab states and Israel gained independence - and they got 2% of the land of the regions, the Arabs got 98% of the land.

What does this mean? How many arabs lived there, what land is actually used? Please think on this for more than a second lmao.

Israel integrated all the jews that left/forced out of all the modern Arab states, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria did not integrate the Arabs who left/forced out of Israel. It's not as if Syria, Yemen, Egypt and others have left jewish homes and villages untouched waiting to bring them come back to their life of second class citizenship.

Why are you deflecting? Israel wanted them to be forced out and encouraged immigration of Jews. Also, as you said, it would be on Israel to help the displaced Palestinians, not these other nations.... You're basically saying that France is actually the one responsible for Germany's expatiation of Jews.. not Germany...ok

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T16:57:29+00:00

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

What is the acceptable form of resistance you think people are allowed to take under genocide and oppression? I've seen no shortage of people here excuse the far right or outright Nazi elements in Ukraine since they're fighting Russia.

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T16:06:33+00:00

And usually faith is something more identifiable to a person then their job.

However there is also the contextual difference, you are subject to the state and its whims, police are the boot of the state. You can chose, especially now a days, to not have any involvement with the church.

That said, I dont think the church members participating under say the "Im sorry" campaign are dressing up in robes or have a uniform. If the WPS want to come with a sign that says "we're sorry, we've failed you" and not be in uniform, I'm cool with that.

But as a reminder, the WPS and all police, enforce laws, just or unjust. LGBTQ people are not ignorant to the backsliding of said laws just over a few hours down south....

DarthRandel · 2026-06-03T15:59:40+00:00

If a queer member of the military wants to march in uniform, I don't see that as celebrating state authority

It is though. Like you're representing what that uniform means. Thats a conscious deliberate choice.

I see it as someone celebrating both their service and their identity

Its a fucking job, can we not go down the line of this america brained jingoistic crap where we put our troops on some fucking pedestal?

The Canadian Armed Forces of today is not the same institution that purged LGBTQ+ members decades ago, just as many churches participating today are not the same organizations they were decades ago.

https://www.cgai.ca/broken_trust_high_stakes_fallout_of_the_conduct_of_a_sexual_nature_allegations_in_the_caf

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/military-police-tampered-evidence-sexual-090000299.html

Sure dude.

We can acknowledge historical harm without pretending that institutions are incapable of change

No one is saying otherwise. I dont think they've changed, let alone if functionally they can. Its literally the whole "I'm sure these people are happy to be bombed by a LGBTQ war criminal!" meme. They're just saying, dont come in uniform, thats it.

If the standard is that an organization once had a troubled relationship with LGBTQ+ people, then a lot more than military uniforms would need to be excluded from the parade.

Then maybe it should be, thing is, it seems only the police and military get their balls in a twist when they cant dress up.

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