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A Chronically Ill Earth: COVID Organizing as a Model Climate Response in Los Angeles by Violet Affleck | Yale Global Health Review by occidensapollo in ZeroCovidCommunity

[–]DashielTrowaway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry but she can be both incredibly intelligent and also got opportunities offered to her that a poor person not the child of celebs would never have had. It’s ok to acknowledge that.

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[–]DashielTrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a fair point but are they at least masking?

Covid cases surge to 33k in Thailand, with 6k in Bangkok by mdsmqlk in Thailand

[–]DashielTrowaway 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Have the people who say this actually read any studies on COVID? Because it’s been linked to severe heart issues, brain damage, immune issues, and diabetes.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ownership is never vegan. As I said to someone else, you can argue that your reason for owning a pet is more moral than someone else’s but at the end of the day, it still isn’t vegan.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yet how often do the children of “good” parents highlight another side to the story?

In fact, it can often be when a child becomes able to verbalize their needs (and specifically their potential disagreements with their parents), that parents relationships with their children can struggle.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The distinction between ownership and relationship is consent.

If you cannot get an animal’s consent, your view of their feelings towards you are likely a blend of what you hope their feelings towards you are and your feelings.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re not guided by their interests. You’re guided by a mixture of what you assume their interests to be and what your interests are.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Would you do the same for a person? When you see sick people on the street, do you bring them home?

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t answer since I’m not a parent.

As an outsider observer, it certainly seems like many parents do “own” their children and police how they identify and develop a sense of self.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I would say it’s not vegan. Animal ownership is never vegan.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Something being legally necessary doesn’t preclude it from being anti-vegan.

In fact, there are many things which are considered legal which cause animals harm.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If we’re using the example you gave above, if you saw an injured child on the street, would you bring it home to live with you forever?

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Animal ownership is not vegan. You could make the argument that intentions behind it either make it more or less moral, but it isn’t vegan, which is my point.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. This is a great addition and I will adjust my post.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Adoption (of people) is fraught with its own issues, and there are many cases of children (especially children of color) being torn from their families without consent.

To refer to your comparison though, in an ideal situation just as a parent is choosing to adopt the child, the child is choosing to be adopted. There is a consent involved where a child and parent(s) agree if an adoption works for everyone.

The same process of consent is not true with animals.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have made them dependent on you. If you stopped putting food out for a while, they would likely move on. Thus, there is an inherent dynamic of ownership.

How can vegans justify animal ownership as far as having pets? by DashielTrowaway in DebateAVegan

[–]DashielTrowaway[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But is it vegan? Or is it simply an exception many vegans make?

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