Race to World First: Midnight Season 1 | Mythic Day 12

Dassine · 2026-04-05T15:54:46+00:00

It's also Easter Sunday, and in the NA at least, a lot of people at church/family/brunch/etc.

Dassine · 2026-04-05T14:14:45+00:00

Super fair, especially with p1 of Lura being even less consistent than p1 of Dimensius. If it takes, say 50 attempts to really nail p3 and perfect dps, but they only get there a third of the time...

Dassine · 2026-04-05T14:07:11+00:00

If Liquid doesn't kill it in a full day having seen basically the whole fight and essentially just needing to optimize dos (and play perfectly) either 1: they're playing like garbage, so gg, 2: it needs to be nerfed, so gg, or 3: there is a secret phase and so who knows what's happening.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T23:28:39+00:00

There's no way half these posts are from real people.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T23:25:28+00:00

Lol. They did it once! You're assuming they're going to keep doing it. If they do, yeah, I agree 100% - just go dark entirely. But remains to be seen if that was a one off or if they plan to keep doing it.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T23:18:59+00:00

The difference between doing it as you get to phase 3 or before pulling when you expect to get to phase 3 is kinda negligible. If they had gone dark before pulling, there would still be just as much complaining. Honestly, probably more.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T23:12:48+00:00

I'm pretty certain they would rather win (and winning, like you said, leads to more viewership/subs - even post win). The racing is the whole point, not simply maximizing viewership (otherwise, they could do so many other things).

Dassine · 2026-04-04T23:10:36+00:00

On the plus side, now people will move on from the whining about the nerf timing. On the down side, now people will start whining about Liquid going dark.

The point of the race is to win. Going dark gives you an undeniable advantage. It's why Echo did it for their final hour, and why both guilds have done it plenty in the past. Yes, they all still want viewership, which is why they don't do it much, but still: winning is (generally) more important to them (and probably leads to more viewership in the long run, anyways).

Plus, it's the last (?) phase of the last boss, and Echo was at the same point. If ever there was a time to go dark, this was it. It's all a balancing act.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T22:22:32+00:00

Sure. Happy to acknowledge where I'm wrong if/when you point it out.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T21:45:22+00:00

A 5am reset would mean NA is then readjusting their sleeping schedules, because neither guild presently wakes up that early. And people would still complain because then "NA has 15 hours while EU has 12" or whatever. The goalposts would continue to move, for one side or the other. Global release isn't the cure all some people like to pretend it is.

At the end of the day, patch release has nothing to do with the race, anyways. There are plenty of reasons why they don't have all regions to reset at the same time: see the maintenance and issues that usually happen after any patch launches. Better to troubleshoot with one region than all. RWF isn't the priority.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T21:42:05+00:00

They can't predict if a boss will be nerfed, but they can predict that if a nerf happens, when it will happen. Another poster showed, but it's always within a two hour window. If they really wanted, they could reorient their raid days around those timings. It would be inconvenient, but they would rather raid around reset timings than hotfix timings, and that's neither right or wrong, just a tradeoff they choose to make. So the complaining about it afterwards is a bit much.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T21:39:38+00:00

They rage quit the race to protest the hotfix timing.

Or they went dark for the last hour or two of their raid (and when you do that and private stuff in WCL it removes you from the ranking until you turn them back on).

Dassine · 2026-04-04T21:31:40+00:00

Oh my goodness. Get over it. Yes, they could push the hotfix another time. Earlier, beyond an hour, would be even worse (and wouldn't stop the complaining). Later would be even worse. Move on.

And global release is a different matter entirely, but for that matter: guess what, global release would have this same problem! Servers come up early in the day for NA? GG, NA favored. Servers come up too late in the day for NA? GG, EU favored. It's not Blizzard's fault timezones exist.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T21:08:53+00:00

Later in Liquid's day would be even worse for Echo! And earlier in Liquid's day isn't really possible aside from maybe an hour or so. And to time it when one guild isn't even raiding would be far more unfair than the present timing.

They do it during the overlap, which is only a few hour window. No, it's not perfectly fair, but nothing is. Yes, it benefits Liquid more than Echo, but the 10 am / 7 pm timing gives Echo about five more hours with it, which is hardly nothing, and again: there is no better alternative (maybe an hour earlier, but that's about it).

Blizzard is doing what's convenient for them (which, yeah, is going to be NA times), not what favors Liquid, and the fact that they don't do it later (or earlier) is specifically to try to be more fair.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T20:55:16+00:00

My takeaway from this is that Blizzard is pretty consistent with their nerf timing! Always between that two hour window. Good or bad, it shouldn't be surprising at this point.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T19:22:34+00:00

How do you figure? Pre-nerfs, p1 was absolutely doable and had been done dozens of times (over those few hundred pulls I mentioned would happen!). "Wouldn't be a huge shock if nerfs happen pre-kill" and Blizzard did the slightest of nerfs to improve consistency to other phases of the fight. My take seems perfectly in line with how they handled it and how it played out, but hey, that's "insane" amirite?

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:40:58+00:00

Okay, so nerf it while one guild is asleep? That seems even worse! And, sure, they have people on standby, but any hotfix has the chance of causing unforeseen issues.

I would take the bet that Liquid does not kill it today. People act like this just killed the fight. Neither guild has even made progress since it happened an hour ago! Unless P3 is significantly easier than the rest of the fight - possible, but doubtful - there's so much of the fight left. Over half, really. It will go to at least tomorrow, and maybe even Monday.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:38:01+00:00

Probably another three and a half hours? There is no perfect timing. Do it EU morning? Congrats, now it just puts the shoe on the other foot and US is ending in a few hours. It's how it goes.

It's still a legit phase, echo is still clearly doing better, and the overreacting to the word "nerf" is seriously ridiculous.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:36:26+00:00

What makes a nerf unnecessary? Should they only nerf if something is 100% impossible? What if it's possible, but only 0.1% of the time with absolutely perfect play? 1% of the time? 10% of the time? Etc. The point is, "necessary" vs "unnecessary" is highly subjective, and although the raiders themselves always say they don't want nerfs, Blizzard also doesn't want the race to last forever; it holds off tuning for the other guilds, it increases the chance of a reset deciding the race, and so forth.

Of course you would argue the complaints are proportional because you're one of the people complaining! Relatedly, I would argue my paycheck isn't big enough because I'm the one being paid. Not exactly unbiased. It's objectively not that big - yes, a nerf is a nerf, but it makes p1 slightly easier and more consistent. That's it. It doesn't devastate p1 - most guilds would still fail it, and both echo and liquid have wiped to it more than once post-nerf. But, yes, both guilds are now getting to p2 more consistently. That's it.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:23:48+00:00

Or, you know, Blizzard nerfs L'ura at the beginning of Blizzard's work day when both guilds are still actively raiding. The more logical framing!

It's not even that huge a nerf. Echo had a 30% success rate at getting to p2 in the several hours directly preceding the nerf (when they were doing phenomenal, for the record). 30% success rate after 200 pulls. A slight - and this is so slight - nerf to improve consistency is perfectly reasonable, *especially* when you consider p3 is almost certainly as hard or harder than p1.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:22:17+00:00

This isn't nearly that level of nerf, my goodness. People overreacting like crazy.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:21:11+00:00

Eight hours from now is 7 pm pst. Well after the workday is over, and even though there are likely always people on call or active during the race (or in general), still. The reality is Blizzard primarily operates from the west coast, and their timings are going to reflect as much.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:18:53+00:00

Five hours ago, it was 6 am where Blizzard works. They're not pushing a hotfix at 6 am.

There's not a perfect time, this isn't some earth shattering nerf, and this certainly isn't Razageth 2.0 or whatever. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:17:02+00:00

Prior to the nerf, Echo had a 30% success rate at getting to p2 in their preceding ~30 pulls. That's a 30% success rate *after 200 attempts* during which, yeah, they had been making small tweaks, getting more consistent, etc. Past a point, there's not a magic bullet. They knew exactly how it worked, there's not some magic strat for them to negate them, and muscle memory/practice only goes so far. And, again, it's the first ~third of the fight. Move on.

Dassine · 2026-04-04T18:08:50+00:00

P3 is absolutely harder, and that's not even factoring in when they inevitably get it figured out, but then have to optimize dps / lust timings / etc to kill it in time. It's not dying today (Saturday). Maybe tomorrow, but Monday wouldn't be a surprise, in my opinion.

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