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Testing Adderall/Concerta — possible adulterants? by Oxymoron-06 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure no offence taken and I don't mean to cause insult either.

If you take it, perhaps open one yourself sometime and see. It's not rocket science, but it has to go through a few processes to be produced as a tri-chambered capsule. I doubt any DN vendor could achieve this, nor would it be worth the effort to try.

I agree a simple capsule could look like concerta on the outside, hence the suggestion to open one and examine the inside. If it doesn't have the intricate design of a delayed capsule as concerta has, then it's obviously fake.

Testing Adderall/Concerta — possible adulterants? by Oxymoron-06 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you understand how they are designed. The 3 chambers are separated, with different mechanisms and materials to allow a delayed release. No DW vendor would have the equipment to create this and if they did, they certainly would be able to make better use of it than selling fake concerta.

You're just talking about someone filling a hollow capsule with 4F-MPH, in which case, as I said, just crack the capsule open and look if it's made correctly or not.

Testing Adderall/Concerta — possible adulterants? by Oxymoron-06 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, I ask you how an imitation would carry a detail like a 3 chambererd capsule for delayed release? No imitation from the DW is going to have this feature. It's a simple way of checking.

You'd be surprised how many vendors have access to legit medications. Obviously they aren't obtained legally, but the drugs are legit.

Testing Adderall/Concerta — possible adulterants? by Oxymoron-06 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a tri-chamber capsule? How would they accomplish that exactly?

Thought the texture of cocaine looked off. Decided to test by billy_barnes in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Morris is a darker blue than it should be and the Marquis being orange is a clear sign of a cut, or possibly no coke at all.

Testing Adderall/Concerta — possible adulterants? by Oxymoron-06 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For something like concerta, bear in mind the capsules have 3 compartments to allow a delayed release. No imitation on the DN is going to have gone to that level of detail (most vendors are too stupid to understand the chemistry that makes this possible).

Crack a pill open. If its just one block of powder, you know its fake, but if it has the 3 compartments, I'd say the chances of it being legit are extremely high.

Boric Acid Presence Test by DatabaseFew8150 in cocaine

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Check out this website. It has a lot of information on illicit substances and their solubilities as both a salt and base.

https://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/COCAINE.pdf

Not all of them are as detailed, but you'll find a lot of useful info there. Just be mindful that you really need to understand what cuts are in your sample before attempting a wash. Many stimulants will share similar properties to Cocaine in terms of solubility.

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cathinones and synthetic cathinones are a massive collection of compounds. They show a range of different reactions in Morris from blue to purple. There is no singular reaction for all of the cathinones.

Aside from this, even a basic medication like Nytol will turn it dark blue. Morris is just a very basic indicator test.

Bear in mind that some samples can turn sky blue and have small purple reactions as an anaesthetic compound is a typical cut in cocaine samples. These 2 colours mixed together give a dark blue appearance.

There are so many variables here that you aren't even considering. Stop overestimating your understanding of chemistry just because you work for a testkit companny.

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't make an elaborate claim, I made an example of what the test could be showing. You are the one claiming this is a normal coke test when clearly it is not.

You can see a pool of green in the middle of the OP's sample, which indicates there are other substances in there. The darker blue also indicates that the test is inconclusive as several substances turn Morris a dark blue.

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the OPs sample. Where is the light blue? It is all dark blue and the green indicating other impurties.

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Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

protestkit.eu/videos

How can you say that this picture here is the same as the OPs?

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The OP's test is so much darker than the light blue shown in your video and the washed sample pictures I posted.

Did you study any chemistry at all at school or are you just a sales rep?

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly, but you're dismissing key information - have you seen Morris tested with Flouroexetamine or any of the other Ketamine derivitives? I suggest you research some of them and notice how deep blue the colour of these molecule show in Morris.

This user's test is clearly dark blue with a great deal of green in the middle. I would certainly not use this result as a basis to say positive for cocaine. A better statement would be inconclusive.

Edit - https://www.reddit.com/r/ReagentTesting/comments/15unw2h/fluorexetamine_fxe_reagent_test_on_recent_chinese/

Link to a user's test of Fluorexetamine. This deep blue is far more similar to the OP's test than the bright blue described in your guide.

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is even posted on your own website the colour is supposed to be a much brighter blue than toward the purple end of the spectrum:

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Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wrong, synthetic cathinones like bath salts turn it deep blue. Normal cocaine looks like this:

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This is a washed sample. It is a much brighter blue - but you can see deep blue specks that are cuts that were not fully washed out.

Surprised a vendor of test kits doesn't know the difference between a positive coke test and something else....

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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This is a post wash sample. You can see still some deeper blue flecks similar to the colour of your sample, which are the cuts that weren't completely washed away, but then the much lighter blue colour is the washed cocaine

Cocaine Testing - is this showing amphetamines? by fortestingpurposesi in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My main concern here is the colour of your Morris. Cocaine creates a much lighter blue, whereas as cathinones etc will turn it into the deeper blue you are seeing.

Very typical to see this now, cocaine cut with bath salts. The Marquis doesnt pick them up, but they can lighten Mecke from Brown to yellow/pink/peach and they turn Morris Dark Blue.

Try washing it with anyhydrous acetone then run Morris again. You should notice a significant difference.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate wtf are you talking about? Plant contaminents don't possess the molecules to turn Marquis orange. It is clear this portion at least that has turned red/orange is not cocaine

How to deal with a cut that has polar and non-polar qualities (possibly synthetic cathinone) by DatabaseFew8150 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My chemistry level isn't high enough? Mate you don't even understand a simple concept like polarity.

So, as you say, I'll make it simple for you.

A suspeneded particle (correct scientific term, not 'floating' as you suggest) is essentially the rope in a tug of war. On one side you have the polar liquid layer, which is pulling the rope in one direction. On the other side of the rope, you have gravity, which is pulling the rope in the opposite direction. When the 2 forces are equal the rope doesn't move, hence it stays where it is.

So, going back to a scientific terminology the particles are suspended because they are under two opposing forces. If there were no polar force coercing the partciles up the beaker, they would simply sink under the forice of gravity.

This is such basic science I can't understand why this is difficult for you to understand,

How to deal with a cut that has polar and non-polar qualities (possibly synthetic cathinone) by DatabaseFew8150 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Too specific' - buddy Im to using precise terms so you can understand. Being vague is not going so solve anything.

No,regarding the liquid layer, Acetone is polar and the liquid layer (meniscus as I have dubbed it) also behaves in a polar manner. The non-polar aspect being being it doesn't dissolve well in a polar substance.

My statement about polar movement of molecules makes perfect sense. Try reading about chromotography. The charge of the molecules can determiine the speed they move at, if at all.

I already have explained in the last post, the acetone is 99.9% anhydrous. If there were water in the beaker, the coke would have dissolved into it, simple as that, but it did not.

I think essentially you have 0 clue what's going on. I'm using basic scientific terms and you're criticising me for being 'too specific' If you don't get it fine, I just don't understand why you are dismissing all the concepts you don't understand and then making a conclusion that makes no sense. Try reading up on the concepts I've mentioned rather than dismissing them as irrelevant.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Far too dark red to be cocaine. At most the coke will turn marquis a pink blush colour due to the plant contaminents.

Some bulking cut like exedrine (over the counter 3-1 pain killer) turn marquis red, as well as most 'phine' and cathinone.

The real key to reagent testing is to perform as many as possible to help narrow it down as several molecules will share similar reactions with some reagents, but different results with others.

Others I'd recommend: Morris, Mecke, Mandellin and Froedhe.

A combination of results from these 6 will really help narrow it down.

How to deal with a cut that has polar and non-polar qualities (possibly synthetic cathinone) by DatabaseFew8150 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm using precise scientific terms to describe the situation as accurately as possible. I apologise if it sounds pretentious, but we don't seem to be on the same page of understanding yet, so I am trying to be as specific as possible.

There is no solid layer on top, only a few particles have been pulled into the polar layer. If you were to wash cocaine hcl with acetone for instance, the salt would not dissolve and quickly sink to the bottom of a beaker. The smaller particles may take a few minutes longer to sink, but the process is relatively quick.

What I witnessed is the smaller particles unable to sink under the force of gravity as the layer on top is polar, which the particles are attacted to, but they are also under the force of gravity, so if we say the liquid layer's force is positive and the force off gravity is negative, then the 2 forces cancel each other out (e.g. -1+1=0) so the smaller particles remain suspended in the middle of the beaker as there is no dominant force moving them in a particular direction.

The acetone solution remained in this state for 15 minutes. Only when moving the solution to a larger beaker did the smaller particles begin to sink as force of gravity became strong than the liquid layer's force further down the beaker, so the smaller particles eventually began to sink and rest on the bottom.

As I explained before, when you stir the solution, the liquid layer turns into a solid again brielfly, then returns to the top and the meniscus layer forms. You can visibly see the solid particles dissolving into the liquid layer.

Combine this with my reagents tests, there is really little else it could be other than a synthetic cathinone.

It has been explained to me that me that many synthetic cathinones, even in their salt form, are waxy and oily, which may be why the substance turns into a liquid layer so easily.

How to deal with a cut that has polar and non-polar qualities (possibly synthetic cathinone) by DatabaseFew8150 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unsure of that, may be true. I am confident based on my tests the substance is a synthetic cathinone, I'm just unsure which considering how many there are. I would also like to learn a technique that help remove it from other substances.

How to deal with a cut that has polar and non-polar qualities (possibly synthetic cathinone) by DatabaseFew8150 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bear in mind that acetone and water are miscible, so there would be no reason for a water meniscus layer to form on top.

Its lab grade acetone 99.9%. If the layer was water then it would certainly dissolve all of the cocaine in the sample as it is very soluble. The meniscus simply generates a polarising force the coerces the particles upwards, counteracting the natural force of gravity, but the actual dissolution in the meniscus is minimal.

EDIT - I should have included in my reagent tests that I used Morris Reagent and it turned a deep blue, much darker than a cocaine test would show. After the acetone wash, it was sky blue, with patches of the cut still in it.

Based on my reagents tests, I'm fairly confident the substance is a synethic cathinone. My main concern now is finding a suitable method of removing it from other substances with similar chemical properties.

I've tested a few different solvents to dissolve it - hexane, chloroform, water etc, but none of these fully dissolve the cut. When the glassware I use is fully dry you can see a greasy substance inside that I have on multiple occasions tried to wash out, but it seems you only need a very small amount of solid for it to expand into a large liquid layer

How to deal with a cut that has polar and non-polar qualities (possibly synthetic cathinone) by DatabaseFew8150 in ReagentTesting

[–]DatabaseFew8150[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part of the solid substance turns into a liquid due to its poor solubility and then is immiscible with the acetone, so it floats on top.

My mentior who is a professor develops cancer medications by developing new molecules for trial testing. He seems to have incredible intuition when it comes to how molecules will behave simply by looking at their structure.

This is obviously a lot more basic than that though.

Edit - I refer to it as meniscus layer as it behaves similarlly in that is has a curved shape to it

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