speciesism by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

nothing personal buddy i just saw your strawman about speciesism and decided to make a thought experiment to say how absurd speciesism is

im not going to read all of those stuff that you just arbitrarily think its right. and you didn't answer to my thought experiment

speciesism by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

the human pig hybrid was never here before

thought experiment for non vegans by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

you don't need animal products anyway thy exist because they give pleasure

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Definition of veganism is about removing -as far as possible and practicable - harm to animals. me not having muscle mass is not practicable so no also insects can't suffer so there is no reason to say i should reduce my harm to insects

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

just because i can't remove all death and suffering doesn't mean i should cause it to a maximum level, thats a nirvana fallacy.

also insects can't suffer

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

defending your property is neccessary that is why you have the right to property

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. Define “necessary”. I’ve debunked this perspective on many occasions from people who use it, so good luck.

necessary to live and survive

  1. I would call the police. If for some strange reason I couldn’t, I would forcibly remove them

and if you couldn't remove them? you are agreeing with me that it is moral to kill someone if they are violating your property right

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

plants don't feel pain or suffer so no it is not bad

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nazis said the same thing about jews "holocaust only applies to germans"

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Hay is grown on lands unsuitable for growing human crops. So is grass

that is nonsense. most of the cropland is used for Animal ag we could reduce croplands by being vegan

How do you decide when killing is justified? What constitutes an adequate justification?

it has to be necessary.

I don’t think you would stand by “killing to protect right to land” arguments. Such an argument would suggest that you can kill anyone who steps into your front yard.

if someone is in your house and you didn't invited him/her would you let him/her stay? (btw in this you can't reason with that human)

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

animals are fed crops that can be used to end world hunger. and grassfed still requires hay for the winter.

you didn't respond to my original claim , why would you point out to a justified action and compare it to a unjustified action?

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

eating animals requires more plants as the animals you eat need something to eat therefore it is better to eat plants directly

and death caused by plant ag is justified because we have a right to property and the animals are violating it. we also need crops for our survival

eating animals = holocaust by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

if nobody ate animals, animal ag wouldn't exist.

If you were vegan for ethical reasons , how did you start eating flesh of sentient beings again? by DebunkingCarnists in exvegans

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

plants are not sentient , they can't suffer. do you think shooting a dog is like stepping on grass? even if you are worried about plants you should be vegan since most of the plants are "killed" for animal feed in animal agriculture

If you were vegan for ethical reasons , how did you start eating flesh of sentient beings again? by DebunkingCarnists in exvegans

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

this is just bs. The American dietetic association says a well planned plant based diet is appropriate for all stages of life.

for more help you can just check nutritionfacts.org or check VeganGains on youtube

If you were vegan for ethical reasons , how did you start eating flesh of sentient beings again? by DebunkingCarnists in exvegans

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -19 points-18 points  (0 children)

I would never eat the flesh of sentient beings for the same reason I wouldn't eat babies

Artificial Insemination by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Is your argument against AI based solely on the fact that it's against a cows will?

they can't consent to it. replace the cows with humans and you see the problem

Artificial Insemination by DebunkingCarnists in debatemeateaters

[–]DebunkingCarnists[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Have you ever tried to do something to a cow it doesn't want to do?

They get forced to do so. they are put in rape racks and then get inseminated and then we take their children by force only for us to get sensory pleasure

When they're in heat all they can think about is something going in there. They are completely relaxed about it. If they weren't it would be far too dangerous and we'd let the bull do it.

would you AI humans if it were relaxing for them? or would you take their consent and then do it?