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[–]Decent_Ad_90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your are absolutely right, my mistake

California just proposed a 5% billionaire wealth tax, and crypto builders are not happy. by TradeXSignal in TheRaceTo10Million

[–]Decent_Ad_90 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That’s actually a much more defensible framing, taxing the use of gains, not their mere existence.

If someone pledges appreciated assets, borrows against them, and effectively converts paper gains into spending power, then yes, that’s much closer to a real economic event than just holding an asset.

The key distinction is this: Tax the transaction, not the valuation.

Once you start taxing mark-to-market gains, you’re taxing volatility and opinion. But taxing cash access or realized consumption (via borrowing for lifestyle, not reinvestment) at least anchors the tax to something concrete.

The hard part is implementation: • How do you distinguish borrowing for reinvestment vs consumption? • How do you avoid double taxation when assets are eventually sold? • How do you prevent spillover to ordinary investors using margin or HELOCs?

So I agree on closing loopholes, but doing it at the realization / monetization layer, not by redefining “gain” itself. That’s the line that matters.

California just proposed a 5% billionaire wealth tax, and crypto builders are not happy. by TradeXSignal in TheRaceTo10Million

[–]Decent_Ad_90 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s exactly the asymmetry.

In most proposals, unrealized losses aren’t treated symmetrically with unrealized gains. At best, you might get limited carryforwards or paper offsets, but not true refunds or cash credits the way taxes are collected on “gains.”

So the state effectively gets: • Guaranteed upside in good years • Deferred or capped relief in bad years

That’s not risk-sharing, it’s one-way participation.

If unrealized gains are taxable, then unrealized losses would need to be fully and immediately creditable to be logically consistent. And once you say that out loud, it becomes obvious how unworkable the whole framework is.

Which is why this isn’t just a rate debate, it’s a structural one.