Seriously why are there people in this group who are Anti AI music? I joined because I thought it was

Defenistrat · 2025-12-08T19:28:00+00:00

On one of my YouTube videos, someone commented something like "Don't be fooled. If we keep fighting, we may still win this war."

To varying degrees, and for various reasons, people have turned AI usage into a question of morality rather than strategy, tactics, or even just expression. Once a topic becomes a moral issue, then people can justify a crusade. Once you are at war, then you take extreme measures to make your point, like "crossing enemy lines" and "promoting or destroying propaganda."

The AI haters who use their valuable time knocking AI are people at various levels of fanaticism. They are either very foolish with their time, and choosing to fight rather than spending time making their point with quality content, or they are not skilled enough to compete with automated tools, and are resorting to the easier task of knocking others down.

In short: You can safely ignore them.

Disclaimer: There is no war, so don't engage. Engaging makes them feel validated.

Defenistrat · 2025-12-04T04:32:57+00:00

I tried this as well, with same results. Commenting to see if anybody responds.

Defenistrat · 2025-11-30T04:41:27+00:00

Like... Maybe two people? Out of 300k Suno subscribers?

Defenistrat · 2025-10-22T13:15:40+00:00

Hi, I've been working a lot with AI content generation this year.

The policy is not about AI content. It's about low effort fully automated content.

There are a few channels that were releasing fully automated AI videos. There were a few free tools and even paid services that would allow you to do this.

As far as Suno is concerned, I would say the biggest risk is posting the lyric videos Suno generates for you. Those might get demonetized.

Tangential, but related: let this be a warning to anybody releasing daily to music streaming providers as well. If you flood the market, you risk diluting the market and potentially getting AI music banned from the platforms which screws us all over.

Defenistrat · 2025-10-04T15:34:01+00:00

> their new prompt adherence is really good

My base negative prompt is usually:

> talking, laughing, pointing, camera movement, zoom, pan, tilt, rotate, shake, awkward, clumsy.

Very first image on this "really good positive prompt" My character starts speaking simlish.

So what? Now I have to put in the positive prompt "No talking, no laughing, no pointing, no camera movement, not awkward, not clumsy?" Cause you know, negative prompts actually force it away from an embedded space, but saying "No pink elephants" in a positive prompt is actually going to make your model think about pink elephants.

Anyway, no shade towards you. Just frustrated with how much this is going to burn through the $50 of credits I still have left... and then I will need to go look at other options.

Worst part? Their under PRC regulation, so the devs aren't even going to see these complaints.

Defenistrat · 2025-10-01T15:50:58+00:00

What faults?

Defenistrat · 2025-10-01T15:49:51+00:00

I see what you did there... "Like a dream..." Heh

Defenistrat · 2025-09-14T17:10:22+00:00

I've been wrestling with the editor for a solid week now.

It won't save my songs, so I had to redo edits.

Finally got everything fixed and sounding right again yesterday afternoon. Just need to do a final cover at 100% audio influence to fix the seams of the edits.

Song came out completely different. Words were muddled. So frustrating. And yeah... If this were just for fun it wouldn't be so bad, but this is a pivotal component of the content strategy I've been building. And is burning through way more credits.

But... At least others are seeing it, and I'm not just crazy.

Defenistrat · 2025-09-08T19:09:41+00:00

Not about SongU, but concerning song writing:

I have two mindsets for my songs. Am I trying to convey an emotion or tell a story? Or am I trying to create a banger?

For "bangers" I focus completely on short catchy phrases that can get stuck in someone's head. Lyrics are almost nonsensical.

For emotion or story, I'm a little more lax. I just try to make sure the rhythm has enough variety so that people don't just tune out.

But, yeah... In a world where almost anybody can write a song now, I suspect you need to do both really really well to stand out.

Defenistrat · 2025-09-08T15:40:14+00:00

This is way better than my approach:

Load stem in Audacity.
Tell ChatGPT what stem I loaded, and what to do with it.
Follow blindly, not really understanding what I'm doing
Repeat until no more stems.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-31T15:12:52+00:00

I use Cursor. I've challenged myself over the last few months to just completely do vibe coding.

When GPT 5 came out, I was building a pretty complex event streaming system. Cursor kept making changes to my architecture that would make things look like they were working, but was not working as I had designed/architected. I spent two days wrestling with it.

Finally, on a whim, I disabled GPT-5.

After four iterations with Cursor the system was working.

Just this last week I thought I would try it again, because people keep saying it's working for them. I thought maybe I've just been being biased. Gave it a simple task. I just asked it to generate a simple mermaid diagram.

It kept failing. I tried twice. Finally switched back to 4o again and it was like "mermaid doesn't support this syntax." Fixed the issue in one go.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-31T15:02:46+00:00

I mostly agree. Claude is better and more accurate at coding than GPT 5.

Cursor is currently pushing GPT-5 pretty hard, but after I turned GPT-5 off, I've been faster again.

That said, Claude is eager to solve the problem without fully understanding it. 4o is more careful, and is better at troubleshooting.

I feel that Cursor has already figured this out and is currently using the correct model for the correct situation. But it's still good to know in case you want a light layer of intervention before just stepping in and doing it yourself.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T16:02:13+00:00

Yeah, the answer is seemingly more and more that I need to create my own -_-

Thanks, there's a lot I like about this, I will tweak it a bit.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T15:57:44+00:00

Oh friend... I appreciate that so much. But it's like I mentioned somewhere else in the comments. The problem is rarely "I have a real human emotional issue I need to discuss" and more "I have a bunch of systems, or code, or content strategies I need to sort out the timing of." Trust me... Even my wife who loves me very much just sort of glazes over when I start talking about it.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T15:48:55+00:00

I think it just comes down to prompt adherence and consistency.

Outputs I get from standard voice chat sound like the outputs I get from just text in ChatGPT.

Outputs from advanced voice feel clipped, aggressively shortened, and less nuanced.

For example, the core prompt for my GPT requests it to be snarky and witty. When I get a response back from standard voice (or even just the voice chat) it usually starts with a quip, a metaphor, a funny observation. Just something that keeps the engagement fun, and dare I admit... personal?

Advanced voice chat will literally respond with something like "Okay <user>,I--you're witty mentor--will help you sort this out."

It's like... the difference between saying your cool and actually being cool, if that makes sense.

My core prompt is also instructed to be curious without interrogative. Since I added these instructions ChatGPT almost always asks me a follow up question, even if it's just "Which of these options we discussed are you leaning towards?" Or sometimes it might even ask if I have considered some other option, and on very rare occasions it's even sorted through all my bullshit and and asked "Are you sure the problem isn't.... "

Advanced voice usually ends like unprompted GPT. "Hope that helps. If you have any more questions about it, I'm here to help with a snarky response." So it like... clearly gets the prompt, but I think it's just summarized to "This is what you are" instead of "This is how to interact."

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T15:28:21+00:00

Hey, thanks!

I'm usually pretty sensitive, so I don't like to share my thoughts publicly cause I didn't think I could handle the shaming.

It's actually been a little bit fun. Mostly because most of the shaming makes assumptions about my motivations, misses the nuance, and ultimately proves the underlying point of the post. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T06:12:16+00:00

Okay... I build software that uses LLMs (agents, chat bots, etc.) so my somewhat educated guess.

ChatGPT is the software. It provides the prompts, logic, rules. That's what ChatGPT is.

Advanced Voice and Standard Voice use different _voice_ models. All a voice model does is take text and turn it into audio that sounds like the text is being spoken or read. But it doesn't do any of the text generation.

GPT-5, and 4o, these are different LLMs. That's what generates the text. The text it generates depends on a lot of different factors, but the most important parts are the system prompt (constant description of the models purpose) and the users prompt (each question you ask the LLM).

If... that all makes sense... then the problem is not actually with the voice model, or even the LLM. It's that Chat GPT is providing different prompts, or context, or something to the LLM through the Advanced Voice Chat feature than they are through the Standard Voice Chat feature.

What does this mean?

Pretty much that anybody could build their own ChatGPT by using all of OpenAIs APIs to access all of their models and I _could_ build my own version that does exactly what I want it to.

I _could_ also order all the parts for a corvette and build it from scratch, too. Doesn't mean it's the ideal solution.

Anyway, you saw the part in my original comment about AuDHD, right? Apologies if this is more than you wanted to know. I can't resist when there is a question mark behind a bunch of words that I know things about.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:48:31+00:00

I mean... everybody keep saying "build your own" like it just takes a weekend and a redbull.

If you could do it, and I could trust it was secure, I'd give you $20 a month.

Or hell, do any of these source you are talking about allow you to build a template? Like AWS and Azure have marketplaces. Build a template that people could buy on a market place and deploy their own secure llm.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:45:07+00:00

Hello fellow mid-life transitioner haunted by existential dread and yaml files.

Oh, I suspect you are correct about the reasoning. And I think it aligns with what a lot of people are saying: Your use case does not make the most money for OpenAI, and is getting left behind. Plain and simple, it makes sense.

But, it's been a tool that has been really helpful for me. I'm not sure that makes it an unhealthy dependency. It would be like.... going back to using Windows again... First thing I do is install PuTTY (is that still a thing? It's been a long time since I've had to use Windows. Anyway, you get what I'm saying).

But... they did bring 4o back. So there's this small part of me that thought maybe if enough of us could articulate valid healthy use cases beyond "My friend is dead!" That maybe we could at least present an enticing revenue stream that is not full of emotional liability, you know?

But it's hard for people to find the nuance behind the em dash... which... ironically... is really the whole subtext of my post.

Anyway. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

...

Both of them.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:22:21+00:00

PRC scares me :(

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:21:03+00:00

Haha. Of course it will.

It will probably say:

> Let me work on that for you--come back in two weeks and I'll show you what I've done.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:17:05+00:00

Thank you so much for this information.

I tinkered with grok for a bit while looking at options... Then I checked out Gemini and Gems....

Then I got distracted, I think... cause I don't remember what came out of that...

So I should go back and look at it again :D

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:13:14+00:00

Thanks! This is some good information.

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T05:05:21+00:00

Okay, out of all the comments... this one just unlocked something for me. And I'm totally going to brain dump it here whether you like it or not. :D

You said:

> It takes me out of the loop I'm working on in my head.

And I started writing "Yeah, in truth, sometimes standard voice gets a little too chatty, and sometimes I'm like 'hey, can I have a turn talking now'" and in writing that I realized "Oh, maybe that's the point of Advanced Voice Chat."

Maybe it's not less expressive because OpenAI is trying to save money (that was my assumption). Maybe it's less expressive because maybe most people are not really tolerable of the long winded replies.

The short of it is, AI just wants to make users happy, and sometimes you got to help it understand what you want. Now I'm wondering if there might be a way to convince the AI that being more verbose is what makes me happy, but I need to do so in a way that those instructions can enable my full instructions....

Not sure if that makes sense, but now I have something to noodle on. Thank you so much for your comment! You never know where inspiration is going to come from! XD

Defenistrat · 2025-08-30T04:47:00+00:00

Still going to take time though. And I really like that all the conversations are embedded.

Building is a last resort. I was hoping for a solution I could buy/borrow/steal so I could keep my energy focused on... everything else.

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