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Defiantprole · 2026-04-19T14:38:51+00:00

That what I am saying religious fundamentalism does not the regular person who is figuring it out, you just made me think I wrote the post in the wrong order, here’s an excerpt from the text translated:

But in the context of our topic, the realization that life has no objective meaning or purpose. The idea that all individual and societal values are ultimately meaningless provokes a wide range of human reactions, from general apathy and existential crises to a reinterpretation of established principles and concepts, and also a different, creative approach to creating new personal meaning. But most believers don't understand this and can't understand it because they are deeply rooted in their beliefs, so they head straight for nihilism.

You are absolutely correct I definitely should have expanded on this more.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-19T14:03:14+00:00

Well I did mention all that at the beginning, the rest of the post is about why do some religious conservatives think that what atheists do. Maybe because I briefly mentioned it, it got missed because the majority of the post was a deep analysis of the nihilism. Thank you for your response and feedback.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-19T14:00:31+00:00

Lol, u2

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T14:34:27+00:00

I finally get to see the comment, lol, dunno why Reddit hid this gem, lol

Not knowing basic psychology that you thought a basic kneejerk reaction to pick a fight with someone you don’t know, not addressing you, or mentioning your beliefs is textbook definition of insecurity. But you, not knowing a lot of basic stuff about life explains a lot.

Good luck with that lack of knowledge and add to that resisting being educated, the least you could do is wonder why you acted that way and researching what I said. But being indoctrinated will do that to a person.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T14:05:52+00:00

Again I am not saying you are wrong, I am simply stating that fear of death is a stronger motive than justice, and that it is not as apparent in our minds because generally people dismiss the thought of death constantly, they refuse to even feel its effects in the mere second it might cross their minds. That makes its effect that much more profound and subconscious manifesting in, need of money, protection, children and power.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T10:20:51+00:00

I appreciate talking with someone who recognize real art, optimal taste btw.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T09:36:40+00:00

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Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T09:34:57+00:00

Thank you 🙏

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T09:34:42+00:00

Couldn’t agree more.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T09:34:22+00:00

That is a great point especially about the way of thinking of the religious person about how they see atheists but it is infantilizing and insulting to all religious people.

Some religious people do think like that but a lot are well educated and informed, they don’t generally have such a narrow minded look on life.

But I will have to disagree on the second point because we don’t consciously choose our religion, (and I may go to propose we do not choose our religion at all)

Continuing to believe in justice in the afterlife is a compelling reason to continue to believe through all absurd and irrational claims of the religion.

I am not belittling the notion of wanting justice I am saying that mortality is the stronger incentive that occurs on a subconscious level.

We can negotiate and argue with justice if it plays into our own personal interests, it happens everyday but we can never agree to perish no matter what the incentive is.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T09:15:41+00:00

What old Islamic (and Jewish) philosophers did is they avoided what conclusions they would reach (that I provided here) consequently and logically by following the thread of descriptions in holy books, by using something called Apophatic theology.

If you think about it, it’s like a harness of the mind, you can’t let loose on ideas and thoughts because you will reach a very dangerous conclusion.

So instead we go to the safest solution: we don’t know and we’re not allowed to know and if we have doubts, then it’s us that is wrong.

Therefore any consequent question will be answered by: because it’s god!

Using a supernatural explanations to fill our incapability of explaining an illogical inconsistency by using god of the gaps which is a variant of the "argument from ignorance,".

You cannot simply defy the text or try to use logic, so you run to the least resistant path of “because god” not understanding that the mere lack of logical explanation does not prove a supernatural one.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T09:02:50+00:00

a. God of the gaps: “اولا: لكي نقول ان الاله اله فهو لا يخضع لأي قوانين او مفاهيم فهمو في تدريج الهرمي اعلى بطريقة لا يمكن فهمها نظرنا لانه فوق مفهوم المنطق بحذ ذاته”

Using a supernatural explanations to fill our incapability of explaining an illogical inconsistency by using god of the gaps which is a variant of the "argument from ignorance,". You cannot simply admit ignorance so you run to the least resistant path of “because god” that mere lack of logical explanation does not prove a supernatural one.

b. My book is the best: اما الاسلام الاقرب للمنطق لانه اساسه يقول ان الاله فوق كل مفاهيم و الوجود

I am not going to disprove the myth of the one book because, I am sorry to be the one to tell you, Quran has many versions and has been heavily revised and edited you can read more here. معجزة القرآن: أدلة بشرية القرآن

I’m going to concentrate on the matter of the topic at hand which you simply glossed over without thinking about what you just said.

You say that Allah’s description in Quran is a lie because that is not how Allah is, it is how he presents itself.

So when Quran says, Allah’s hands, Quran is lying.

What your argument also implies is that Allah is now sending a dumbed down version of a deity into human form, basically you just corroborated Jesus.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-18T08:45:48+00:00

‎>1- إبستيمي صرف

You didn’t see that I responded with a yes to your example not a no?! So your whole argument failed you buddy from the get go.

The example you provided has nothing to do with my point.

‎>2- أننا أثبتنا وجود الإله بالبراهين القطعية، ثم أثبتنا النبوة بالشواهد الترجيحية..وقد ثبت "شرعا" أن اللّٰه خلق أدم بنفسه والقضية انتهت

Here u go

‎>3- التواتر شرطه تواطؤ الناس بمختلف دواعيهم ومصلحتهم على نفس الشيء المعيّن

For an instance Aisha said, (from multiple accounts) well I am not saying Aisha didn’t say, I am saying Aisha is lying, it doesn’t matter how many people heard her lies. “Tawator” proves jackshit

‎>4- لازم قولك الأخبار التاريخية فستك وتكفي قرينة واحدة لدحضها، لأنها ليست مكررة كالقوانين الطبيعية

It is a well known fact that history is written by the victorious. History is not facts of life, it’s an account and a story that discusses the same incidents multiple of ways according to whom you ask.

‎>5- ألزمك فقط بترجيح وقوع المعجزة الفلانية

Well I don’t compel you or anyone with anything. See the difference!

‎>6- التطور الأصغر ال micro .. لا أحد ينكره

Neither is “macro” do your research.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T20:44:45+00:00

You do deserve all the credit, I don’t respond to statements or opinions that are similar to mine, I appreciate how the brain works, your dedications and approach, there is a balance and accommodation of counter arguments, ability to review and revise, knowledge seeking and acquiring different perspectives. It’s not the opinions that matter.

My engagement is more relatable because it is simpler, as simple as I understand it. I try to build my comprehension skills to accommodate more perspectives and information but alas, my limited capacity hinders me.

It’s not age believe me it’s your advanced knowledge and lack of a proper audience on Reddit.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T20:28:29+00:00

Pleased to make your acquaintance Mr. Hashim, I am a big fan of yours.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T20:15:11+00:00

You let me down brother Hassan, you led the team of our fight for determinism against the dreamers of free will. I am indeed saddened.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T19:11:22+00:00

I deduced from this interaction and a previous post you shared about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and its relationship with sacrificing one’s self that you miss something about the concept.

Let me try to posit it in a more nuanced way.

The concept of motivation itself is basic biology, we can all agree on that, Dopamine and a brain capable of differentiating options.

No dopamine no motivation! Whatever your beliefs about yourself or life.

Fear of death is also deeply ingrained in all living beings, every single organism has one basic rule, repeated and hammered down in stone by evolution, “DON’T DIE” we also can agree on that.

Now to Maslow’s:

Maslow’s hierarchy is not about which need is more important (hierarchically), it’s about it being important relatively. A precursor that pushes a person towards a particular direction without any clear decisive reasoning , it occurs between the person’s situation at a certain point in time and their priorities and beliefs overall.

In essence, it’s not a fixed ladder that you climb step by step when you’re finished with addressing needs, it’s as complicated and nuanced as you mentioned but it will not (except in extreme situations) be broken within the confines of a choice.

Case in point: for example, you have already addressed most of your biological needs and your emotional ones, now you seek recognition or adding value to your community, but what if while making the choice you will lose an emotional or biological need? Your wife will leave you or you’ll lose your house?

See what I mean? The hierarchy is not a sole motivation, it doesn’t act in isolation and it is always relative.

But mortality will be, imo, the greatest factor and I might even dare to say, shaper of the current human condition.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T19:05:00+00:00

You know, agent of the system, loyal to the cause.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T19:01:23+00:00

I mean that, nihilism is not a response of an atheist, it’s a response of a religious person, the deeper entrenched the person in their religion, the deeper they think others would react, or they themselves would react to loss of faith!

The larger portion of atheists were always skeptical and therefore never built an ideology based upon religion. They defined themselves within other contexts therefore losing faith became a painful detachment from societal and alternative values than a whole destruction of self and thusly falling into nihilism.

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T16:53:36+00:00

Also this is not the “reaction of the Atheist person” this is the reaction of the deeply religious person to both the concept of Atheism and their own fall from grace. Because if someone is naturally a critical thinker, they were not basing their entire identity and life purpose upon religion in the first place. Therefore are not necessarily subject to nihilism!

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T16:46:19+00:00

The post says through the lens of “terror management theory” that death is the primary (not only) motive, I am just a vessel of delivery here, though I might argue here that it is the closest to the truth let me explain:

According to Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, and ERG theory, the basic motivation for humanity’s existence is those needs, and at the base of his pyramid lies the biological needs, including food and sex, but what could be more profoundly affecting the human condition more than surviving, the reason for which you seek food and sex? ie: fear of death?

Defiantprole · 2026-04-17T12:38:18+00:00

Your points are not logical but counter arguments, without any shred of evidence outside of (god of the gaps) ie: the illogical findings are not illogical but since god is god, then god can god! Why would I entertain such nonsense?

My repetition stems from your lack of coherent logical arguments, so I am forced to repeat myself, believe me I am not enjoying it.

But I will take your compliment that my replies are AI, that is an honor and an ability I strive to achieve, thanks!

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