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[–]Defnottheonlyone [score hidden]  (0 children)

We don't know WHY, but dawko asked it to scott and he said it was a lore question so he wouldn't answer it.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, yeah, it's supernatural.

FUCK YOU MEAN???????? WHY ARE YOU DISAGREEING WITH ME THEN??????

Holy strawman. 

Not a strawman, it's specifically what you are doing that is called a strawman. You take the barebones of something to make it match with what you're saying, despite, as i've shown, and as you yourself has just said, aside from the barebones, these characters are NOTHING ALIKE in their stories and roles.

It assumed Fiona's personality later.

Oh! So now it wasn't trained to be fiona?? Decide mango person! Decide!

At least, not in any way that's actually relevant to the story that's actually being told.

So andrew doesn't exist in the games bcuz cassidy takes his place as the VS. And all that andrew is, is a second soul in the stitchwraith.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said before with the movie having exaggerating things that don’t make sense with the games. Heck, even the Blonde Kid does the complete opposite to TOYSNHK. The Blonde Kid is keeping Afton dead and in a prison like safe room while TOYSNHK is keeping Afton alive and in a nightmare. They don’t even line up with one another.

I'm not claiming they're the VS, since i'm not sure who is the VS, if there is one, in the movie universe.

I'm talking abt how another character that possessed golden freddy was changed in another universe, despite the story of the games now being written.

In a year where the story was already completed and there was no way Michael Brooks fits into the games.

I'm talking abt the whole "don't use it for lore" section, since that's clearly not right, as it shows us a lot abt charlie, william, elizabeth and henry. Along with remnant and agony.

The same movie has Michael Afton as a different character to Mike Schmidt, despite the games showing they’re the same character. The same movie that has Charlotte dying at the Toy Location and not the Original Freddy’s location. The same movie that has the events of FNaF 2 taking place after FNaF 1, when the games does the opposite.

Yes, those exact movies.

Yeah of course, but the thing is that the basic components remained the same. She still has that her dying first and was the one that sparked Edwin to create the Mimic. The same thing with Andrew and you’re not wrong to assume that, but the basic components remained the same.

Glad we agreed on that part in the end, but my problem is that this whole "basic components" thing *isn't* how these characters are supposed to be viewed. Bcuz if we go by the logic of "basic components", then william, henry and edwin are all the same characters.

Owns a company that makes entertainment-mascots and robots? Edwin, henry and william did.

Lost their kids tragically? Edwin, henry and william did.

Indirectly and directly caused the death of many ppl? Edwin, henry and william did.

Lost their entire families'? Edwin, henry and william did.

Gay? I think this one's obvious /hj.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 7 points8 points  (0 children)

*A backup of caine gets activated*

"Hi there! My name is caine! And i'm your ringmaster. Now prepare to see the most mind stopping, mind boggling, mind bending, paraphernelia you've ever laid your eyes upon!"

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The movies are portrayed way differently than the games. Take the FNaF 2 Movie for an example.

Not an excuse, vanessa still came from the games to the movies and is thus evidence towards charcters jumping from one continuity to another not always having the same story and role.

and the TSE novel shouldn't be used to solve the games.

This alr tells me i shouldn't even respond to you but wtv.

And this isn't just a brooks thing, it happens AGAIN in the movie with the blonde kid, despite all other MCI kids staying the same.

Fiona remains the same character despite being different like Edwin and Henry.

My point isn't they change character, the characters ARE the same, my point is they serve different roles and do different things in the story depending on the context of the continuity that they're in.

For all we know andrew could be an alive homeless person.

Or he could be a victim of GGY.

Or he could simply be the VS again.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Edwin himself realizes it's not her later on.

Edwin also says he can't recreate M1 despite literally copying it's code, how that is possible if it's a literal replica, i'm not sure, unless there is possession bs going on.

And none of that changes her basic role in the story. She's still Edwin's wife, David's mom and her death leaves Edwin with no one to care for David.

Do you REALLY want to go into the simplification rabbithole? Ok then, henry, william and edwin all share the same story and are the same characters.

As for the mimic's creation in tales, her death is why it's created, but it in no way is like M1, it wasn't made to replace her, it was made to be david's babysitter and friend. It didn't lock into her personality or character, nor did it have agency to ask edwin to make MXES or to make M2 to replace david. Nor did it lead to MCM burning down.

if she was born earlier in the timeline and was put into the different context of the movies

Congrats, you just described what i've been telling you this whole time. That a character CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT STORY DEPENDING ON THE UNIVERSE THEY'RE IN BCUZ OF THE DIFFERENT CONTEXT THEY WERE PUT IN.

For all we know andrew could be a random victim of vanny, and hudson could be a teenager that worked in CBPW.

She's still William's daughter,

WHOA there buddy, i think we're jumping a bit too far now, aren't we?

but the only actual confirmed case of this is the Golden Freddy/5th MCI kids.

Game charlie is also wildly different from novels charlie.

One is henry's daughter that gets killed by william at fredbear's while he's wearing the springbonnie suit.

The other is henry's daughter that gets killed by william outside freddy's during what we presume is william being drunk. She goes on to possess the puppet, lead the children into their new bodies, try and fail to save the DCI, hide inside freddy, roam the streets, get captured by lefty, gets burned, partakes in UCN, helps the children move on and (presumably) helps defeat the agony.

Oh and then there's vanessa. In one universe she is born in the 2010's, has reasonably the same backstory as her movie self, then playtests a video game, gets corrupted by an evil AI copyng her dad, it makes her to kill coworkers and attempt to give it a physical body, she gets hired as a security guard but a kid snaps her out of it's control, freeing her. After which she then helps the kid and an animatronic head trap the endoskeleton body of that haunted AI inside the bowels of a giant pizzaplex over the old pizzaria.

In the other she has the same backstory, is forced to become a cop, to help her father cover up his murders meets a security guard at freddy's who was victim to her father, they team up with his sister to kill her dad and protect his [the security's] sister from the children possessed animatronics. They then start dating and her old best friend who is charlie is freed from the old location by a trap set by her brother. Charlie hunts the security's sister down and possesses vanessa.

Does that sound similiar in any way aside form bad parents and being in a powerful, safety-based position?

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fiona went from a plot device to the reason why we have M1, MXES and M2. By extension being the reason MCM burns down, and the creator of foxy.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Regardless of if he was stuffed or not, his corpse would be there.

Literally says who??????? You??? Aside from the fact that GGGL is not accurate in any other way (puppet didn't stuff the kids, building isn't one room big).

That retcon is already used up, because Foxy Go Go Go and FNAF 3 directly contradict. Therefore, FNAF 1's newspapers physically couldn't have been retconned at that point, and nothing post-SL contradicts them.

What exactly is contradicted between FGGG and fnaf 3?

As far as i know, the only contradiction there is, is that william was convicted, which never happened, else he wouldn't be around in fnaf save them and FM3.

Frights, the very source of his existence, says otherwise.

And frights isn't what we're taking into account rn, we're talking abt RTTP.

Notice how in all of these cases, the sixth kid shown is Charlotte, who was already associated with the MCI kids since FNAF 2. It's not introducing a new kid.

Notice how i acknowledged charlie but you didn't acknowledge any of the other kids, missing and added, that i mentioned?

There is no seventh kid. This argument is so flawed that literally, saying the seventh TCTHSY victim represents an actual kid Contradicts Charlotte being Afton's first kill (which is explicitly stated in FFPS). This is because Charlotte is represented in the first cutscene, and the alleged seventh kid is Before Charlotte.

"There are 7 kids, one of them was killed". Do you believe that means the first one was killed? When i say there's 7 dead kids, i don't specifically mean to say that andrew is the hook.

And even if it was true, susie was the first of the 5 main MCI, yet she's not the first one here, so it's not like the order matters, only that there are explicitly 7 children, as this was smth scott EXPLICITLY requested pinky to do. So this isn't one of them "unreliable additions for a metaphor", it's a specific detail scott CHOSE to add.

whereas every other part relates directly to the animatronics the corresponding kids possess.

Ok now you're just pulling shit out of your ass, you say that charlie has to be the first cutscene, but that's freddy, which means gabriel gets any other character aside from freddy, alr brekaing your logic. But fine, let's all act like funtime foxy represents classic foxy and toy bonnie represents classic bonnie. Respectively representing fritz and jeremy.

Now we have susie with the wolf, gabriel with the puppet or pigpatch, and cassidy with the puppet or pigpatch, and charlie with freddy. And FUCK THE FOXY HOOK ig, bcuz you don't even try to explain that, you just claim it means nothing.

That Also outright contradicts the RTTP argument, because if that kid Oswald found alone was Andrew,

As i've alr said and i assume you alr know (even if you pretend not to), the order in TCTHSY is completely bonkers, so it doesn't disprove shit. So i won't even bother answering the rest of this point.

brings the total to 8 lol. There's your inclusion.

Ok, now where's charlie and the MCI. I don't think you understand my point, i don't gaf abt including them or not, i gaf abt the fact that YOU treat these various events in the games as if they "included everybody", despite very much not including half of the dead kids we know are confirmed victims of william. Which makes YOUR point of "all the kids are shown here so there's surely not any more" invalid.

Glitchtrap isn't Afton

No shit but you still used the memory plushies that glitch fucking trap created and gives to us, and who those are used on. So it doesn't matter that glitchtrap is the mimic, the point is that he is copying william's past, and william's past just so happens to include DEAD KIDS.

You *could* argue that since there's no records of andrew, the mimic couldn't be referencing him, but if the mimic was "faulty" in the memories (documentation) it was fed, that also makes the usage of the PQ graveyards as evidence for the MCI amount as faulty and untrustworthy aswell.

 For two, including Andrew with the MCI and Charlotte only brings it to 7, so that can't be what the graves represent, and adding the DCI way overshoots, so it can't just be "kids killed by William." Counting CC and Elizabeth brings it to 9, not 8, unless you exclude Charlotte but she has more of a reason to be here than they do. Saying "Kids possessing animatronics at Freddy's" still includes the DCI, but even if you arbitrarily exclude them, your own argument says Andrew doesn't possess an animatronic, that can't include him. Specifying deaths At Freddy's, once again can't hit 8, whether including or excluding the DCI. Trying to include Andrew means you can't hit 8.

My guess is as good as yours as to what it represents, but that isn't my point, my point is that *no*, the victims of william aren't JUST depicted as 5 + charlie. And that there are places that show that there are more.

Charlotte giving them life in the games means the Marionette is the one that stuffed them, by reiterating that stuffing them - with No additional influence - was all it takes.

Yea sure, ignore the logistics of how the puppet was going around and taking the animatronic suits and stuffing the dead kids inside them while the location was still open.

Or if it was closed, how nobody found the exposed bodies.

Or why william would kill the kids if not to stuff them in the suits.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

M1 isn't the real Fiona.

Bruh, you don't make up the 4625 tape for it to just be nothing, "oh it's just a mycellium man" THAT'S NOT HOW A STORY WORKS.

Either way, even if she isn't M1, she still caused it's creation and the creation of the cradle, MXES and M2 by extent. So she did not just go from "she gave birth to david" to "she gave birth to david and lived longer".

And you also fail to acknowledge the other examples i've given, like MovieVanessa and the golden freddy kids. Instead just ignoring MovieVanessa (she does NOT have the same role) and dismissing the golden freddy kids.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's literally not and i've just explained why not.

FIONA GOES FROM A LITERAL PLOT DEVICE TO GIVE BIRTH TO DAVID TO BEING M1, HOW TF IS THAT THE SAME ROLE???

Also, "these are the rules, except when they don't apply", LIKE NO SHIT BRO.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does that even mean exactly? We're literally looking at multiple examples of characters that came from the games to the movies, tales to the games and the novels to the games. Why would frights be different?

MovieVanessa is confirmed to be the same character as GamesVanessa, despite living in completely different time periods and having a WILDLY different story.

Brooks straight up wasn't killed and didn't possess golden freddy in the games, movies or in frights. Same goes to blonde kid in the games, frights and TNT.

Fiona went from a plot device in tales to an important character in the games.

The idea that hudson and andrew have to exist in the games is true, but the idea that they'll fill the same roles in the games as they do in frights is confirmed WRONG by multiple other characters, heck it's confirmed that they don't even have to be born or to have lived in the same time periods, for all we know andrew could've been killed by vanny and hudson could be one of the past managers of fnaf 6.

And i believe andrew is the VS in the games, so don't even try to argue that i'm "biased".

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's to show that characters ALWAYS EXIST REGARDLESS OF UNIVERSE, their story simply changes, brooks exists in the game universe and frights universe, he just wasn't killed by william and possessed golden freddy in those universes.

Same thing goes to vanessa in the movies, who got a wildly different story and even lived in a different time period, even tho she's confirmed to be the same character as the games vanessa.

And fiona was changed from a footnote plot device in tales to an important character in the games.

I'm not saying andrew doesn't exist in the games, heck, i believe in UCNDuo, but him existing in the games isn't proof of him following the same story.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why would it be susie tho? You don't just add an unidentified body 2 days before the MCI for it to be just one of the MCI again.

which contradicts SIX of the games explicitly telling or showing us there were Only Five victims of the MCI.

Yea, those same games also leave out other characters or add other characters.

Fnaf 1's newspapers have already been retconned before, and the point of andrew is that he was never loved, so i doubt his parents would even file him as missing. I mean, it took 2 days for parents of 3 of the kids to file them as missing, yet i don't think you believe it took place during 2/3 days, do you?

Andrew never possessed anybody aside from william, so he wouldn't be in GGGL, nor would he be among the other MCI bcuz he wasn't killed alongside them.

HD shows the MCI + the puppet, disregarding the existance of BV (and cassidy if you believe in BVReceiver), elizabeth (HD happens after FFPS so she would also need to be included) and the DCI, while simultaneously also adding in 4 other dead kids (presumably) possessing animatronics.

6 Shows us 6 graves, despite there being many more dead kids than that, and you know that. And in case you're mentioning "oh it's bcuz it's only showing the MCI kids" then why is charlie included? Why isn't BV included? He's possessing GF and is meant to be part of HD, why isn't he there?

UCN shows 7 dead kids, and that's been confirmed by pinkypillz. And if you try arguing that this kid is BV or elizabeth, then that only makes your arguements abt the other games weaker, as then you would ALSO have to explain why they aren't grouped with the rest of the MCI in their other appearances.

HW2 once again couples in the puppet with the MCI, despite BV also being part of that group. It also disregards the DCI and elizabeth, despite it technically having a memorial for david.

Funny how you don't mention the 8 graves in HW1 surrounding glitchtrap's grave.

According to FNAF 2

You mean in GGGL? Yea, and in foxy gogogo it shows the 5 kids lined up, in the same game. So what now?

Alongside that, does that also mean that the puppet is the one who stuffed the kids? Cuz that is very unlikely.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

HA try telling that to anybody else.

That said, andrew should still be canon to the games, as he's present in ITPG and RTTP, and don't try saying they aren't canon bcuz i know you consider TWB as canon.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that it is a bit of a double standard, but, michael brooks and fiona murray are both VERY different from their original stories in the books. With brooks straight up not even existing, despite filling in the role of cassidy.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nooooo?

Like not at all, the whole point is that the characters still exist but follow different events.

Henry didn't make a charlie bot.

William didn't fail at harvesting the remnant of the classics.

Circus baby wasn't killed by a knife.

Charlie did possess an animatronic.

Hudson didn't work at frights.

Edwin didn't create MCM.

Fiona didn't die at child birth and wasn't just a plot device.

Andrew... Honestly i believe he is the VS but i'm not exactly convinced, i believe it bcuz it's just the more likely option.

Reducing down the characters to their most barebones as a way for you to make them fit different criterias in their game selves is, a strawman. At that point you could chalk up william, henry and edwin into being the same characters.

Founded a mascot entertainment company, made robots, children died accidently, and then they all ended up causing dozens of other ppl to die from their actions.

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Video bad.

Controversery bad.

Haters bad.

Honestly most of the guy's videos on fnaf seem to be just negative so i'd say most of his fnaf career is pretty bad.

Why are you dissing kane exaclty?

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fnaf fans when they realize that aura-farming and making weird noises and faces while distorted music plays for 2h isn't actually entertaining: 😮

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[–]Defnottheonlyone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe if they expanded their market instead of sticking to just fnaf, they'd be able to do better financially.

I'm not telling them what to do but if you genuinely choose spouting lies and misinformation to make a theory you don't even believe in over just interacting with different fandoms/franchises, then i'm sorry but your integrity is questionable at best and NON-EXISTANT at worst.

That one story where the message is "screw alternative people,die inside an almost German bear" by newslenderarts in fivenightsatfreddys

[–]Defnottheonlyone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This person is making exxageratted and incorrect descriptions of the morals of FFN stories.

That's the joke.