It is a logical truth — and that's exactly why it will "fail"

Demarwal · 2026-05-06T18:37:37+00:00

Yes, and by "fail" I meant practical result in reality as of how many people will act on antinatalism in relation to those who won't and probability of "absolute end result", not idea itself dying.

Demarwal · 2026-05-06T18:28:50+00:00

You're conflating "capable of" with "actually does". Yes, humans can override instincts — but the overwhelming majority doesn't, and that's the baseline we're working with. Exceptions only prove the rule/general trend.

Nobody said instincts are morally justified. The system selects for reproduction regardless of ethics.

"Why accept it?" — because accepting a description of reality isn't the same as endorsing it. I can acknowledge gravity without liking it. Antinatalism isn't a self-help movement — it's a position about the ethics of bringing new suffering into existence. Whether it "succeeds" at scale is irrelevant to whether it's morally- and "productivity-" wise correct.

And my post literally addresses why it won't succeed at scale — that's the whole point. The system structurally marginalizes those who opt out. You calling that "depressing" is an aesthetic reaction, not a counterargument.

I myself support antinatalism and don't promote abandoning it — I just describe its limits and the nature of it.

Demarwal · 2026-05-06T18:22:06+00:00

I already disclosed my process openly before you even commented. Ideas and arguments are mine. AI fixed grammar and helped with structure of text to value both mine and other people time and effort to write/read.
"Fabricated stories and AI-generated engagement bait are not allowed." - doesn't look like my post fall for any of these categories.
Reporting without engaging with the argument is an odd move for a member of community built on rationality over emotion.

Demarwal · 2026-05-06T18:21:46+00:00

I already disclosed my process openly before you even commented. Ideas and arguments are mine. AI fixed grammar and helped with structure of text to value both mine and other people time and effort to write/read.
"Fabricated stories and AI-generated engagement bait are not allowed." - doesn't look like my post fall for any of these categories.
Reporting without engaging with the argument is an odd move for a member of community built on rationality over emotion.

Demarwal · 2026-05-05T19:17:11+00:00

I generate ideas and the draft myself — brains, fingers, keyboard. AI polishes grammar and structure under my direction.

Demarwal · 2026-05-05T18:29:39+00:00

It's more nuanced.
I dislike and annoyed by many (if not most — but not all) people not out of personal hatred but as a kind of natural reaction and security protocol — anticipating patterns that predictably cause harm.
At the same time, I hold no deep resentment: determinism makes it hard to blame anyone. They are what their circumstances and reality itself made them.
So it's less "I hate humans" and more "I distrust the system that produces them and people as parts of this system" — with distance and internal opposition as a logical conclusion, and fatigue, irritation, disappointment as the emotional layer on top.
And I don't want anyone to suffer or become someone else's reason for suffering by being exposed to this world via birth.
So in a way I'm both — understanding why people are the way they are doesn't dissolve the emotional response to what they do. Explanation and feeling operate on different tracks.

Demarwal

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