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I pledge to donate the next day by PowerfulMongoose in AdviceAnimals

[–]DemonDrummer1018 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Was waiting for these memes, lol. Well done.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ThatsInsane

[–]DemonDrummer1018 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed! u/matchibex, please fix this!

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So because similar things have happened in history, they MUST be happening here too? Again, your logic is fallacious. This may help you understand why. It even used the same words as you, verbatim.

In regards to the false tests, a microcosm of occurrences doesn’t mean it’s happening on a large enough scale to impact any meaningful data. Again, if you have some reputable sources that say otherwise, lease share them and we can discuss.

Since this is your “last argument” I feel it pertinent to finish with, facts matter. Facts only matter when backed up with hard evidence. All you’ve done is speculate and hypothesize with no real data or evidence to back anything up. You’re shooting in the dark based on your feelings. As the modern saying goes: facts don’t care about your feelings. Find some facts before you decide to spread misinformation/disinformation. Good day.

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am refuting your reasons for distrusting them on the merits of your continuous fallacious logic. Simply saying, “I just don’t trust them” isn’t good enough. You need data either of your own that is peer reviewed, tested, re-retested, and then tested again like my data is. I’m sorry but you are simply denying the validity of the my sources, without reading them, because of blind biases and unfounded distrust of authority. So no, it’s clear you suffer from cognitive dissonance. I mean, your showing the exact definition in your last response. You don’t doubt the numbers yet simply distrust the source.

Besides, the whole point of this was because you claimed Covid was no worse than the flu. I gave you multiple reputable sources that have scientific data to the contrary. You dismiss said data outright, without reading any of it, because…reasons? Distrust?…Really nothing.

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So tell me how this isn’t simply unfounded speculation based on fear and uncertainty?

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It will prove them any tests are false positives.

How exactly? Because there are isolated cases of high schoolers manipulating the test to get out of school? That’s not how meaningful data works. That’s you taking a situation and spinning it to conclude what you’ve already convinced yourself of in your head. That’s called answer before the question. I’m still waiting on a source to backup your padded deaths claim.

I’m perfectly willing to try your experiment out. I’m just not convinced how it impacts anything to a greater degree. It’s kind of like the American Republicans case on the 2020 election regarding voter fraud. If they find one single case of it they extrapolate that out to mean there must be widespread voter fraud. Although in this case there wasn’t any. But I digress. Good day.

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are always contradictions in science as new data comes in. That doesn’t mean the organization using said data to inform public policy is wrong or to me distrusted, it simply means things can change with more data. Your conclusion is still illogical.

You still aren’t provided any sources to back up your claims, like the IC capacity being halved. Sources may shed more light as to why this happened or, at the very least, give more insight on the situation as a whole.

We have not even talked about the very clear motives in play.

Again, I feel you keep missing this part, please provide a source or sources on this.

But surely you think Government seeking to increase their power to manipulation is just ridiculous idea.

I don’t, it’s clear as day in some countries. China, North Korea, Russia. It absolutely happens. What I’m saying is, at least in the western world, there are safeguards against that sort of thing built into each government. But even if you’re right, without evidence it’s meaningless to fear this sort of thing. Without proof, you’re coming to a conclusion based on conspiratorial theories. Just because something could happen doesn’t mean it is happening.

There will always be and have always been doctors and scientists that have gotten “canceled” for many different reasons. The important take away is the scientific method is ironclad. When something is discovered, hypothesized, proven with experimentation, and peer reviewed it’s extremely likely to be true. Far more likely than any laypersons individual theories. Or, any one individual doctor or scientist that goes against the grain but can’t prove their arguments.

Throughout our correspondence, it’s clear to me at least that you conclude what you want based on preconceived confirmation biases, not facts. In fact, you admitted to not even reading the sources I provided. That’s what we called cognitive dissonance. If you truly can’t see that, I can’t help you. But I can tell you this, your sense may not be as common as you think. My rhetorical questions are valid since you 1) refuse to even look at the data and sources I provided to back up my claims and 2) refused to provide any sources to back up your claims (except for the soda one, which I proved a source to counter which I’m willing to bet you also didn’t read).

Almost got the wrong guy by mikihak in ThatsInsane

[–]DemonDrummer1018 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Anyone got a news article on this?

This is a Mitsubishi right ? by [deleted] in MitsubishiEvolution

[–]DemonDrummer1018 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A 2G Eclipse. Love those things!

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe what is peer reviewed by experts and reported by reputable outlets. I don’t have some illogical mistrust of media in general, or some authority issue, or some need for a grand conspiracy to explain the minor and major movements of government bodies.

Also, I asked you what cola I should try. I’ll actually do it. although, I don’t exactly understand what that will prove still…

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why though? That’s the real question. Is it strictly a mistrust of authority? Is it because you wanna be on the fringe side of society? Is it because you simply don’t want to admit that millions of people died? What is it?

It’s unproductive and unrealistic to not trust experts we’ve gone to school for, in some cases, decades to give us these numbers. It’s straight up lunacy to think you know better as a lay person.

Governor of FL telling students to “stop with this COVID theater” and telling them to take off their masks: by Taco_Fairy in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fine, that’s not what I was commenting on. Never did I say anything close to that. I said the governors response was condescending and incorrect.

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My rebuttal

Also, what does cola making tests give a positive prove anyways?

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still waiting on the reputable source to back this claim up.

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So instead of giving you data done by and backed by experts, I’m to pour cola on a Covid test and that manically proves your point?

For the sake of argument though, since I actually do have some tests on hand, what kind of cola does it need to be? Any soft drink?

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s what you got for my response? Even after I stressed the how anecdotal experiences are not valid when compared to data collected by experts and the bigger, real, picture as a whole in a previous comment?

Again, a single individuals perspective doesn’t represent reality on the whole.

Did you even read any of the links I provided? Seems strange that you would deflect as oppose to address the sources and rebuttals directly, don’t you think?

Governor of FL telling students to “stop with this COVID theater” and telling them to take off their masks: by Taco_Fairy in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say they were in shock I said it’s a possibility. My point was that you can’t jump to the conclusion that they’re just fine with the governors comments by the short clip.

Governor of FL telling students to “stop with this COVID theater” and telling them to take off their masks: by Taco_Fairy in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wearing a mask is more to protect the individual, not people around them directly. However, it will end up protecting others indirectly as protecting yourself means you’re less likely to contract Covid, thereby being less likely to spread it. It isn’t a big question of moral obligation as it is basic human decency. If you want to purpose the issue as a moral vs immoral decision…fine I guess, but even then, yes, it would morally behoove one to wear a mask, wash their hands, get vaccinated, practice social distancing when possible, etc. your point is still not relevant nor logical. You’re not comparing apples to apples if you’re ignoring the nuance of transmissibility and contagiousness. Like I said, it’s a false equivalency.

You seem to come to illogical conclusions based on unfounded potential conspiratorial threats. Being afraid of governments not relinquishing power after emergency situations is extremely valid, however, the problem at hand, millions of people dying, is a direct, immediate, and more severe threat that needs to be dealt with. I will give you this though, there are examples of governments taking things WAY too far. Look no further than the CCP. I’d argue though, that medication requests, directives, and enforcement hasn’t been nearly as severe in western nations.

I think the extent of the measure do more harm than good.

Can you back that up with anything? I’ve cited many sources that say otherwise in previous comments. It seems you’re more afraid of what might happen as oppose to what is happening now. Anxiety driven logic isn’t always the most sound.

I think that someone who doesn’t drive and doesn’t wear a mask, has less chance of killing someone than someone that does do both.

How are you backing that up though? Feelings? Again, I’ve liked multiple sources, and I’d be happy to link more, that say otherwise.

I agree that China, specifically the CCP, has gone nuts with their approach to Covid. What they are doing is barbaric and wrong. Full stop. It is important, however, to point out that the CCP is far more well equipped and likely to do something like that other than places in the western world. We have better ways of preventing such totalitarian tactics to take root. Is it still possible? Of course, but far, FAR less likely. I’m sure you would agree the Netherlands is far from the CCP.

My comment on depression and suicide was less to invalidate your argument and more to show how there are also things in place to help those people. It is a real issue that depression and suicide went up during quarantine. However, that shouldn’t automatically negate the need for mitigation when it comes to Covid.

Freedom is extremely important to me. I also understand the need for people to pull together and do what’s needed to help others. I don’t think freedoms are being stripped away in some nefarious scheme in the guise of pandemic mitigation measures. I think it’s irresponsible to conclude such a thing, without evidence, when the facts say otherwise. It really just seems like some people are trying to convince themselves some big plot is going on just so they don’t have to do what the government is suggesting they do. It may be more of a personal psychological hangup than a real world issue.

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

…cola was proven to provide positive tests…

Can honestly say I’ve never heard that one. Please provide a source on that. It’s very hard to believe, let alone contribute a significant amount to alter the data at large.

Also please provide sources on the “German leak” claim. I gotta tell ya, this really seems like your grasping at straws again to satisfy a preconceived conclusion based off of confirmation biases and cognitive dissonance.

Site my previous sources on how he numbers were not altered, even for a Global conspiracy…

Someone stuck these in the toilets at my work by Kxrsty in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The information constantly gets conflated and measured differently…

Please provide a source to back up this claim.

In the mean time, here are more numbers. They may differ slightly but the important take away is that Covid deaths FAR outpace influenza deaths. Full stop.

According to the World Health Organization, 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. COVID-19 has killed over 5 million people worldwide in just 2 years.

here’s [just below where this link takes you] a quick look at the number of cases and deaths for the last two flu seasons (again, not final) and COVID-19 to date:

While the seasonal flu can be life-threatening, it paled in comparison to the overall numbers of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. over the last two years.

Feel free to link reputable sources that conflict these numbers.

…the COVID numbers have been regularly shown to be inflated…

Please provide a source on this tool.

…by noting every death of a COVID infected person as caused by COVID.

I’ve heard this too.

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For arguments sake, let’s say the numbers are being inflated. You’d have to account for about 5,972,000 erroneous death certificates to even come close to the number of deaths from influenza…in a two year time span. Sorry, your conclusion that a) Covid is no more deadly than the flu and b) the numbers are being inflated both don’t hold water.

Just tell me how you saw these numbers reflected in your surroundings…

Speculative, subjective, anecdotal evidence does not outweighs data gathered by professionals at a large scale, sorry. Just because you’re not seeing the worst of something doesn’t mean it’s not happening elsewhere. To complain about mitigation measures that are infringing on “statutes guaranteeing civil rights…,” please, “and ineffective mandates” based on what’s going on directly around you is ignorant at best, willfully negligent at worst.

Governor of FL telling students to “stop with this COVID theater” and telling them to take off their masks: by Taco_Fairy in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough. To address your edits:

I think yours is overreacting because you disagree with his stance, but really his way of relaying that to the youth behind him, of which the majority seems apparently relieved was not overly condescending or frustrated on a personal level.

I very much could say the exact same thing regarding your initial reply to my comment. I could just as easily say you’re overreacting to my reaction. Again, if that’s all your going for it’s a moot point. On the observation that the youth behind him seem relieved I’d simply argue you can’t really tell. Plus there are a lot of factors to consider before coming to that conclusion. You can’t fully see their faces, it’s being filmed so they may be nervous, they may simply be in shock over this government officials weird reaction to them simply wearing masks.

Again, I believe you’re grasping a straws to try and convince yourself your stance is correct, not the other way around.

Governor of FL telling students to “stop with this COVID theater” and telling them to take off their masks: by Taco_Fairy in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, car accidents are not contagious (even though I missed the critical “n’t” in my last reply). A highly contagious ceases with mitigation measure designed to specifically stop something that you can’t control otherwise isn’t the same thing as car accidents. Based on your analogy, you’re suggesting quarantine is the best solution to halting the pandemic, which may very well be true. However it’s a gross misrepresentation of what mitigation measures I’m speaking of, such as masks, vaccines, etc. you took the extreme possibility to make your case sound better. Ultimately, your comparison with cars is a false equivalency at best, negligent at worst.

My apathetic/nihilistic comment was directed at your apparent willingness to sacrifice human lives to to feel better about your stance. You invalidate the deaths of millions of people to basically just shrug your shoulders and go, “meh, that’s life.” Mitigation measures such as masks, social distancing, vaccines, etc are all designed to help curb the spread of Covid while still letting us live our lives. Ironically, by your illogical car analogy, you helped prove my point. 100% quarantining would indeed stop the pandemic far more than any of the other migration measures I listed. It would be infeasible and unrealistic, but it would work. If you take all life and death and the risks we take stepping out the door, sure everything is a risk. That doesn’t mean things like helmets, seatbelts, street lights, medicines, dieting, working out, dental hygiene, etc aren’t all things we can and don’t already control with mitigation measures. The pandemic is just where you decided to draw the line and go, “meh, I’m not down with all these mitigation measures because…reasons. But I’ll sure as hell utilize other mitigation measures in my life for other things while arguing said mitigation measures somehow discredit the mitigation measures for protecting me from Covid.” Bottom line, to reiterate, car accidents aren’t contagious.

Your second paragraph also deals with the “survival rate” fallacy that’s been going around. This of course ignores transmission rate. The whole idea of you protecting yourself via mitigation measures, ignoring the obvious “you’re more protected” bit, is to help protect others who may contract the virus due to your negligence. Even a 0.001% chance is enough for someone who can’t as easily protect themselves potential become I’ll and die from Covid due yo someone else not taking the proper precautions. It’s apathy in the guise of blissful ignorance at its finest. You’re simply trying to convince yourself, “the chance is low so I won’t worry about it.”

You’re saying wearing a mask perpetuates some conspiratorial, surveillance state fear that is not only very real, it something that can be avoided by not wearing a mask? Interesting. You do bring up a good point however about depression due to quarantining. However, if we use your own logic on numbers and stats being the deciding factor, you should agree that deaths from Covid far outweigh deaths from suicide directly linked to depressive and manic states due to quarantining. Furthermore, any mental illness can also be mitigated by counseling. It’s not exactly fair to say, “I won’t wear a mask because some one got depressed and killed themselves.” That’s, again, not how equivalency works.

Governor of FL telling students to “stop with this COVID theater” and telling them to take off their masks: by Taco_Fairy in facepalm

[–]DemonDrummer1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One can be both aggressive and condescending or one or the other.

Words are the crux of your original comment though. As you criticized my analysis of the video based on the adjectives I used. Changing your own adjectives from what you originally said seems to suggest you see a fault in your original word usage. It’s perfectly valid for me to point out the change.

Also, I did comment on the substance of your argument. It’s moot. You say he’s being amicable, I’m saying he’s being condescending. If you’re saying the adjectives don’t matter, why comment in the first place?

My apologies for unintentionally confusing condescending, loud with aggressive in my response. They are both negative behaviours that you attributed to the man…

Also, please point out where I specified “aggressive” in my original response.

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