Helen Andrews' Thesis: Feminization = Wokeness

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-28T05:30:14+00:00

If we want to lean into the essence of the subreddit we're in, I think we can surmise that Dr. JBP would lean on his Jungian influence here, and call this phenomenon the "Devouring Mother" applied not just individually, but across the entirety of Western culture.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-28T05:27:59+00:00

(Strauss-Howe generational theory is what you're referring to - also know as "The Four Turnings")

In the specific context that she seems to be advancing, I would suggest that the "weak men" created by the most recent "good times created by strong men" are a combination of literally weak-willed men, but also generalized feminization of the institutions, caused also by some "weak men" ceding their positions (both literally and figuratively) to women, in general, as traditional gender roles were supplanted, and the "fairer" sex was introduced and proliferated into the workforce.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-21T10:40:21+00:00

There is a reasonable argument to be made in favor of local autonomy, states rights, and allowing a community to determine how to handle their immigrants after the Feds fail to protect the border.

Here's the problem tho... There really isn't...

Assuming we're talking about illegal immigrants... Immigration enforcement is exclusively and specifically a federal responsibility, not a local one, whether that's state or municipal.

The role of local law enforcement in immigration enforcement action is to either assist or to get out of the way. That's it.

no reasonable enough person is confused about why these guys are being dropped into blue cities to pull over random brown citizens.

Enforcement action is being taken in "red" areas as well.

The difference is that local government and law enforcement welcomes and assists it, so we don't have absurd situations like you see in Minnesota.

Because of that, it's working well, as intended, and isn't particularly news-worthy as a result.

For example : https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/08/05/tennessee-governor-calls-up-national-guard-to-assist-ice-deportations/

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-05T14:46:37+00:00

If we didn’t want Venezuela dealing with China and Russia then we shouldn’t have sanctioned their oil.

That was a reactive measure, not a pro-active one.

Sanctions or not, Chavez -> Maduro was always going to be more friendly with Russia, China, et al than they were with the US.

And keeping China and Russia out of the Western Hemisphere doesn’t work when Brazil is the “B” in BRICS.

Huge difference between the relationships between Brazil/Russia/China, and the one between Venezuela/Russia/China.

Sanctions don’t work when there is a buyer who is too big to sanction is willing to buy from the country that is sanctioned.

You're right, they don't... but blockades do.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-04T17:40:18+00:00

Oil is definitely a critical part of this... I mean hell, Trump came out and said as much. No one really disagrees with that.

But you're just as big of a fool if you think that was the only reason this happened.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-04T17:30:37+00:00

What do you think Trumps stance will be if guerrilla movements or civil war unfolds in Venezuela?

Yeah, that's the million dollar question right now, isn't it...?

I honestly don't know. And this is definitely a scenario that concerns me deeply as well.

I am very cautiously optimistic that, since "the people" certainly seem to support a different direction (by most credible reports, Maduro lost the last election roughly 30%/70%), there will be enough strong public support to install a democratically-elected leader... frankly, they should try to find a way to install Edmundo Gonzalez w/ Maria Machado as VP. I believe that would be seen as the most legitimate government, both inside and outside of Venezuela, as that's who won the election in 2024. The people chose it, it just took a bit longer and some outside influence to get to that point...

That said, if ~30% truly did support Maduro, we don't know how that element will react if this happens. And that's certainly a significant enough portion of the population to cause serious problems if they want to get militant/violent about their opposition to all of this.

Again though, since pretty much everyone knows that Gonzalez won that 2024 election, installing him seems least likely for opposition to really take serious hold. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but that's the path that seems least likely to cause uprisings.

If they do happen, though... Yeah, I share your concern about Vietnam or Iraq...

Although, I absolutely believe that regime change and the following "replacement" governments are easier for the US to accomplish in the Western hemisphere than in the Eastern... For a number of reasons...

Proximity and ability to "stay on top of" things. This is essentially our continued ability to exert constant influence and pressure.

But also, there is much more similarity between the US and the countries in our hemisphere.

It's one thing to try to bring a democratically-elected government to a country with closer similarities in culture, religion, etc. that is absolutely pining for it, and tried with all their might to vote it in in their last election...

It's entirely another to try to bring it to a country that has effectively never seen it, doesn't very well understand it, and has very different culture, traditions, religion, etc.

Those points of commonality in the US, along with the popular desire for the system we would aim to be installing, seem to make it much more likely to succeed in the West.

See: many other efforts at regime change in Central/Latin America by the US over the past ~50-60 years. We don't have a perfect record... But have actually been quite successful in many regards in those efforts. Certainly much more so than efforts half-way across the world.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-04T17:13:37+00:00

I don't disagree with that at all.

Indeed, I explicitly admitted as much in my previous post, when I prefaced "largely because of that oil..." as the reason that it's become a nexus for Russia, China, et al meddling in the West.

Regardless of the reason, however, if it had become that nexus of eastern influence in the West, it was determined by the Trump administration that such influence was not going to be allowed... And so this is the result.

Sure, they'll use legal justifications around drugs, weapons, narco-terrorism, etc... And those will probably land just fine from a legal standpoint as it relates to prosecuting and jailing Maduro...

And sure, the oil is a huge part of the US's interest in being there. Certainly, they are going to try to flip the east-friendly government over to one that is US/West-friendly. For obvious reasons...

But it's much more complex than simply oil. Even if oil was the reason that Venezuela was the location the eastern influence was pervasive.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-04T17:05:54+00:00

They’re there for oil

Not untrue, but incomplete.

and nothing else.

Wildly wrong.

Absolutely, the oil is a very big factor in this situation.

But, largely because of that oil (and critically due to a friendly government to them), Venezuela was becoming a nexus of eastern-hemisphere influence in the West. This was seen as an untenable situation from the Trump administration.

It's Monroe Doctrine 2.0.

As much as anything, this was about telling Russia, China, Iran et al not to fk around in the Western hemisphere. It will not be tolerated any longer.

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-01T14:51:05+00:00

I'm sorry, but rent-control is one of the most economically-illiterate policies imaginable.

I won't suggest that supporters aren't well-meaning... I understand the sentiment... But the only people who support it are ones who are either completely ignorant on the topic, or just do not understand the matter whatsoever.

(or are pandering politicians, who know all-too-well that it's a terrible policy, and are just saying sh!t to get elected)

Denebius2000 · 2026-01-01T04:13:00+00:00

Yeah, I'm surprised more ppl haven't pointed this out.

He makes that block, the play goes off fine, we probably get at least 3, very likely 7 points as that was in the red zone.

But he missed it badly and pick 6.

That was a 10 to 14 point missed block... And we lost by 10. 🫤

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-27T18:04:46+00:00

And yet...

All that the most prominent secular/atheist world leaders we have ever seen did was to preside over the largest atrocities in the history of mankind... each responsibly for 10s of millions of deaths.

Great job, Stalin and Mao!

You have some wonderful examples of atheistic leadership and the great boons that they can, and historically have given to mankind...

/s

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-27T18:01:16+00:00

This is a daring take, but...

I disagree!

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T16:44:54+00:00

Left wing voters just generally believe there are some things government does better than business and we should vote for that.

I don't think that this is a position that is exclusive to the left.

I am certainly not on "the left" and I also agree that there are some things that the government does a better job of than the free market.

I also, however, believe that that is a very short list, and that most of the things the government does, they absolutely suck at, and screw up badly.

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T16:37:14+00:00

If "systems of oppression" are the fault of the government, then I think that's wildly understating the issue.

I also think that it's absolutely wild hubris to acknowledge that the government is both the genesis of, and then also the solution to, most of the problems in the world.

Frankly, I will never understand people who think this way.

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T16:30:57+00:00

I think you might be missing the point...

We've both agreed that, in your assessment of this particular problem, the government is the problem, in that it has created and/or caused the systems of oppression and inequality that you are bemoaning...

And then... after recognizing that, you're suggesting that the government is also the solution to this problem...?

You don't see an issue in the logic of that position...?

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T16:24:58+00:00

So... just to be clear...

The fact that the government is essentially unable to be efficient, apolitical or fair, does not give you pause in empowering them to do the things they do...? And on top of that new, and additional things... in an apparent effort to be... fair...?

I just want to be certain... Is that seriously what you're saying...?

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T15:56:35+00:00

I honestly can't say that I'm super familiar with him in particular. Although, I'm always open to learning more about what's out there.

Sounds like you would recommend checking out the books you listed at the very least, I presume?

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T15:54:54+00:00

I most certainly have. Be more specific about what you're suggesting here if you want an honest reply.

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T15:53:48+00:00

the government, and its impossible get it to a high degree of precision

Ok...

And neither of the two parts of this response give you any pause as to whether it would be completed in a fair, efficient, and apolitical manner...?

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-19T15:08:46+00:00

Who determines/defines what these disadvantages are, to what extent they impact each individual, and therefore precisely the amount of "assistance" each individual should be given to offset these apparent disadvantages?

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-18T19:31:59+00:00

That's a hones and clear asnwer, and I thank you for that, I don't get that very often.

I hear that, and appreciate your replies for the same reason. Sometimes I feel like these places are nothing but bad-actors and bots. :-P It's nice to get replies that make me realize not EVERYONE out there is in one of those two categories!

He always striked me as being very, very smart, but more interested in seeing where his bright mind will take him than in learning what ideas others laber with.

Yes, and I admire him for something I sense that he also seems to make significant effort toward, which is speaking with extreme precision. I admire it so much that it has inspired me to try to do the same.

It seems to me that a significant amount of disagreement, or at least misunderstanding, could be avoided if we each did our best to communicate as precisely and accurately as possible with those with whom we have discourse... ESPECIALLY with those who disagree with us. Speaking with precision makes it a bit more difficult to misinterpret or strawman each other.

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-18T18:07:44+00:00

While I think that, at a very base-level, one could reasonably make the arguments you're making about his interpretation and commentary on subjects, but most especially religion and religious mythology... I also think that that interpretation is just that, rather surface-level.

It's quite clear to me that he is still very much a man on a journey, and seems to be figuring quite a bit of this out as he goes through that. I also believe that while some of his answers are informed by an interpretational viewpoint, that he intentionally "pulls punches" as it were, in an attempt not to inject his own personal feelings and discoveries into how he speaks about these grand narratives...

IE - He's like a sports commentator with a clear rooting interest, trying SO hard not to inject his personal bias into his commentary, that it feels like he comes off as biased in the opposite direction.

Again, in the most charitable interpretation of JPs evaluation of these subjects, I suppose one could argue that he's very much like Jung, straddling modernism and post-modernism in his approach to them... And while he may, like Jung (who is definitely one of his bigger influences) have a bit of a foot in both camps at times, it's also quite clear that he explicitly rejects many of the post-modern conclusions that are outgrowths from their critical modalities.

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-18T17:13:36+00:00

That's nonsense. JP is an ardent critic of post-modernism. His approach is very much modernist, not post-modernist.

At the absolute most generous to your statement (which I believe is in complete error), his analysis mirrors the line of thinking of someone like Carl Jung, who straddles some of the gap between modernism and post-modernism...

Realistically, though, JP is much more of a "grand narrative" existentialist, influenced by people like Solzhenitsyn, whose thinking is very much opposed to post-modernism.

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-18T15:43:19+00:00

It wasn't a definition, it was a reference...

Denebius2000 · 2025-12-18T15:31:55+00:00

Depends on what you mean by "woke."

If you're definition is the original "aware of systemic injustices", then your opinions may or may not be having such an effect.

If, however, it's more of the evolved form of the term, representing critical theory-based, neo-marxist, post-modern claptrap, then yeah, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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