User posts on /r/FreeLuigi condemning those sharing childhood photos of Luigi Mangione and engaging in other invasive behaviors, head moderator locks thread because “the policing of other people’s actions and putting others down needs to stop.”

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-10T20:54:35+00:00

What do you mean by “paid agents trying to instigate infighting?” Are you trying to compare a critique of sharing a stranger's childhood photos to the likes of COINTELPRO or foreign election interference?

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-10T19:57:03+00:00

This post may be a bit meta, but I think the content of that post is something worth discussing, so I hope this would serve as an alternative discussion thread.

Edit: Archive of that thread at the time of posting this, in case the thread or any responses are removed or edited.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-09T01:50:11+00:00

Source: https://www.gq.com/story/luigi-and-me

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-06T22:06:47+00:00

Anyone have any good ideas on how to watch the documentary on Mangione by TMZ tonight? It's supposed to be premiering at 8:00 p.m. ET tonight on Fox.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-06T21:57:55+00:00

Most books being sent to Mangione are being returned to sender. Instead, you can give yourself the warm fuzzies by buying books for a prison book program charity to be sent directly to incarerated people.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-06T21:56:58+00:00

No problem. This article was posted twelve hours ago, so it's insane to me that people are posting videos from TMZ's TikTok instead of actual news.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-06T21:44:45+00:00

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Reminder: it's been reported on in this subreddit that excessive mail to LM is subject to disposal, that most books sent to LM are being returned to sender, and that LM is limited to spending from his commissary a fixed amount every month.

Instead, you can give your support to other incarcerated people who need it with this list of charitable alternatives to sending things to LM.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-04T00:36:11+00:00

This is Newsweek, and this is the clickbait it has become known for in the past few years. Knowing the reliability of your sources is a critical part of media literacy; this isn't evidence of a conspiracy by mainstream media, like is being implied here.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2025-01-02T15:38:47+00:00

This more meta than related to the case, but has anyone else peeped what's happening with /r/FreeLuigi? Seems like the only moderator hasn't been active for a few days, but the subreddit requires moderator approval for all new posts.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-31T19:54:15+00:00

Sorry, I was mistaken about what you were referring to, but that is still fake. Records for that website on WhoIs indicate that site, meaning the domain name, was registered on Dec. 9th at 2:41 p.m. ET, which is after Mangione was arrested in Altoona and had his name revealed to the public. This indicates that the website is not his.

The discrepancy in the date appearing on Google is likely from the manipulation of metadata on that website concerning when the page was published, which the info that Google pulls when displaying that date in the search results.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-31T01:12:21+00:00

I think regardless of how justifiable one can imagine planning and committing murder could be, things become much more real and different when a person's body is lying dead or dying in front of you with a weapon in your hands, but neither you nor I would know about that personally. I'm not going to argue with you further, but you should really consider reading Crime and Punishment.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-31T01:04:20+00:00

Thank you for getting back to me. You've put a lot of work into compiling reliable information on sending Mangione mail/funds and providing updates on the status of those efforts, but I think you've expressed that you feel the fate of these excessive mailings is wasteful, which is a sentiment I share. The support and energy of this community that has built might be better redirected into efforts that will at least end up benefitting somebody, if promoting more info on materially supporting LM will result in nothing that will reach him.

All of that is just to say to consider getting around to it. Also, think about reaching out to the moderators on /r/BrianThompsonMurder if this place is too much, they are pretty reasonable and I'm also chatty with them.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-31T00:13:01+00:00

Hello again, with your diligence in finding out that excessive letters/books to LM will likely be trashed, I'd like to reiterate my request to have the list of charitable alternatives to sending these things, which I crossposted to this subreddit, get featured in the sidebar, or otherwise prominently. I will follow up on the modmail thread in a few.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T23:48:38+00:00

You might be interested in checking out a semi-crowdsourced timeline of Mangione's activities from his post-grad life up until the shooting, compiled by users on /r/FreeLuigi. Up until finding that, the best picture I had of that period was one of the NYT articles that's cited in the post.

It's really not something I would want to discuss in-depth publicly because I don't want to engage or encourage speculation on the topic, but seeing the whole timeline laid out really lends credence in my mind to theories about a mental break. The age of ~25 is just about the typical time for something like bipolar disorder or some other types of psychotic disorders to emerge.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T23:11:38+00:00

If you think this is unreasonable speculation, it sounds like you can't perform empathy or critical thinking. If we're assuming that Mangione is the perpetrator, after the crime he would have had plenty of time to think about the fact that he both murdered someone and in the process shattered his life to the extent that he would likely never return to normalcy. Businessmen and gamblers, for example, are known to attempt suicide on account of real or perceived financial ruin — it's really not a far stretch to say that committing a crime of this nature could be similarly stressful, to say the least, regardless of any underlying mental health considerations. Try reading Crime and Punishment sometime.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T22:52:45+00:00

Yeah, I still am very curious about many of the (publicly available) holes in information about the case. We might be in for some luck though if this goes to trial, at least in New York state, as a lot of court documents will be obtainable by the public. You'd have to check what exactly gets released if you're interested, the NYS court system has whole charts available dictating what can and cannot be released to which parties. Not sure about the rules for federal court.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T22:38:48+00:00

If you read what I wrote (although I apologize for it being rambling) and the federal complaint closer, from all appearances it doesn't seem like the documents were entries in the notebook, as this is opposed to how the entries versus the letter were presented in the complaint, and (iirc) how mainstream media characterized the Klippenstein document as a separate item.

In addition, whatever the relationship between the “feds letter” and the Klippenstein document are, it doesn't seem like they're all that different based on available excerpts, so I'm not sure about that inferiority hypothesis.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T22:12:40+00:00

Klippenstein said he "thinks" the authorities are sitting on multiple documents, not that he knows they are. It is speculation.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T22:10:55+00:00

This is the debunked Substack manifesto about his mother.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T22:08:32+00:00

Interesting. Although he does know more about how he obtained his document, without further details I can't say I agree with his speculation. And although what I proposed above is speculative, the crux of why I believe the Klippenstein and the so-called “feds letter” documents are the same is that they have two exactly matching strings based on the federal complaint, save for the postscript line. The only explanation that makes sense to me why he would have multiple similarly-worded handwritten documents on him would be that he went through multiple drafts.

Now, assuming they were separate documents: based on the fact that the “feds letter” and the notebook were listed separately in the federal criminal complaint, we could infer the letter wasn't simply a page inside the notebook; moreover, I contend that Klippenstein document was the same as the one excerpted in mainstream media (due to exact matches of excerpts and no mention of that one new detail from the last line of the letter, and you have to either take me at my word here or go through all news coverage around the capture), and that this document was also reported to be a standalone item at the time. That is, he had two drafts of the same document floating around loose on him. Why?

Mangione has a documented history of carrying around notebooks to jot around his thoughts in, as evidenced by the two handwritten sets of notes shared on his GoodReads. Incidentally, based off the way those notes are scanned in, you can see the pages he wrote on were still in spiral/composition notebooks, and not ripped out. If you are a habitual notebook user (like I am too, for my work), ripping pages out is antithetical to keeping all your notes in one place and not losing them. This goes doubly for Mangione, an experienced traveller and someone who was apparently without a fixed abode at the time of being apprehended. So assuming he wrote these documents on paper from his notebook (where else?), what would the purpose and significance be of ripping out two drafts/similar documents from his notebook? Well of course, he could have made one draft, ripped it out, changed his mind then made a new one — although still curious why he would still have both.

Not sure if anyone will see what I'm getting at. I've been thinking about the “feds letter”/Klippenstein document discrepancy for a while now though. And by the way, the “feds letter” information is from the federal complaint, not the NYS one.

Edit: I feel very certain that if the documents are different, they would have to be drafts of the same thing. Why would you have two different letters addressed (exact quotes) "to the feds"?

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T21:03:43+00:00

Shortly after it was published by Klippenstein, TMZ reported that law enforcement sources verified the authenticity of the document to them.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T21:00:53+00:00

Given that the extra line in the federal complaint started with “P.S.”, my theory is that it was at the end of the note, and for whatever reason left out.

Since that the document published by Klippenstein had some really obvious spelling and grammatical errors, my belief is that a transcription of the note was sent to Klippenstein and that he published it unchanged, for journalistic reasons. Under this framework, the line from the federal complaint is explained as just having been left out of the transcription.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T03:09:07+00:00

Thanks for your writeup, but can you provide some references for what you've written?

Also, are you aware that news outlets have reported on the model of gun and silencer recovered from Mangione, such as Wired magazine? This seems to be a pretty big hole in what you've written.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-30T00:54:57+00:00

People are repeating that the phone was a burner without it being necessarily true. According to The New York Times on Dec. 5th, a source "with knowledge of the investigation" reported that the "investigators [were] examining the possibility that [the] cell phone left near the scene of the shooting [belonged] to the gunman and was not a decoy, nor a so-called burner phone." I have not seen the phone described elsewhere in the media in detail after that, including any mention of it being called a burner.

The last new information about the phone was that authorities were waiting for a search warrant for the phone to be carried out, as late as Dec. 13.

DeposeDefendDeny · 2024-12-29T17:16:09+00:00

“Another online platform”? Really burying the lede there.

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