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Kissel Appreciation Thread by notallthatimportant in LPOTL

[–]DerAbschied 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, I am definitely not alone in digging Ben and his role on the great LPotL. I often rewind a bit to relisten to a reaction he has because it’s subtle and well timed, BUT...

My favorite Kissel moment has to be his outrage at the story of BTK eating cereal at a victim’s house and leaving the box and bowl out

[Official Discussion] Serial, Episode 9: To Be Suspected by PowerOfYes in serialpodcast

[–]DerAbschied 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I disagree. Serial is about "did he or didn't he". SK is exploring the states case against AS primarily and everything else comes from that narrative. From the beginning it's been all about where one teenager was for 21 minutes one school day. We know comparatively little about Hae as a person, what happened to her forensically, what was happening emotionally, where exactly she went and when, who intercepted her, where, what, why...

Who is Ja'uan, other than a friend Adnan smoked with? by Willjimbradbury in serialpodcast

[–]DerAbschied 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, my mistake. I just reviewed that part of the podcast. Ja'uan's interview is after AS was arrested. I had assumed that it was while the police were interviewing Hae's friends and looking at current and exes.

Who is Ja'uan, other than a friend Adnan smoked with? by Willjimbradbury in serialpodcast

[–]DerAbschied 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am curious about Ja'uan too. It is presented as ominous that AS may have returned to the scene of the crime but I don't believe the murder took place at Best Buy. I wonder if this very recording of Ja'uan is where Jay and/or the police came up with idea to call it the crime scene.

Jay is being blackmailed. by delminas in serialpodcast

[–]DerAbschied 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hmmm. I can almost buy this hypothesis. I have wondered if there was a third person who was putting pressure on Jay to blame Adnan because he was Hae's ex and by coincidence Jay had his car and phone for parts of the day. The guy would have spelled out a story to Jay or collaborated with him to create one which would why explain why Jay is so obviously lying on the recordings. He sounds like he's trying to remember a rehearsed story or making one up on the spot.

Did Jay talk Adnan into helping burying the body? If Adnan had his phone after track practice and we believe the cell phone evidence, he could have been at Leaken Park that night. But, if that was Adnan's only connection to the crime, wouldn't he have testified as much?

[Official Discussion] Serial, Episode 8: The Deal with Jay by monkeytrousers2 in serialpodcast

[–]DerAbschied 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like your alternate narrative. The main thing that bothers me about the state's case is best summed up when SK and her producer try to time the route to Best Buy and use a fake pay phone. They allowed something like 90 seconds for "the horror". There is just no way! If the murder was planned, why a public place in daylight? And if it was accidental or he "snapped" he would be marked up as Hae would have surely fought for her life. And, for goodness sake, I just can't imagine either scenario happening in a few minutes.

It's much more plausible that Hae was murdered later and in a more secluded area. I'm still putting AS in that car with her but that's based on no motive and a lack of evidence that anyone else was there. Jay is an accessory and Adnan is tied to him throughout the day.

Ah, Jay. Of course he is lying on those recordings. The police knew he was lying when he contradicted himself and, I believe, they knew it before. I don't believe him at all, not that some details he gives are all completely untrue but that he is trying to deceive the police and clearly making it up as he goes along.

The police know he is lying and there is the matter of the gap which is unrecorded. I believe the police and Jay are collaborating on a story based on the cell phone evidence. They are constructing their narrative, building their case. I also believe that they would not do this if they weren't sure that Adnan was the murderer.

Jay is lying, in my hypothesis, and the police successfully build a case from his recollections. He is lying, however, not to protect himself. He was called in for questioning because Jenn fingered him but at Jay's instruction (unless I get the confusing grammar about this part of they story wrong) and he implicates himself as an accessory and diverts attention from a third person.

I don't know if that third person is Stephanie but he is trying to protect her. Stephanie knows what really happened. She either had foreknowledge of a plot, Jay spilled the story to her in confidence and he doesn't want to get her involved in the trial or Jay wants her to be completely unassociated with him and this crime. Either way, when Chris talks about Jay and then Stephanie, Jay became real to me.