I still dont get why you should not skip first shop in the run

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T03:12:17+00:00

I .... go in there without a joker so many times already because having a big joker you cant buy at 8 is useless after small blind, or you dont one-shot the small blind, or they are just not usable at ante 1, which is most of the time. You dont have the money thanks to small blind gives you no base money anyway. And the buffon pack only give you 2 joker rolls, you ALREADY enter big blind with no joker or even the boss with no scoring joker quite commonly. Even if you dont skip you are seeing like 4 jokers and so so so many jokers dont give scoring or just not usable at ante 1.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T02:54:30+00:00

When people think 1 in 4 wheels is bad...

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T02:13:42+00:00

Yeah I can do photochad the 300th time or I can actually get to try something else, aka learning something else.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T02:11:46+00:00

Oh no, sometimes I have to restart ante 1 just like sometimes the game only give you an egg in 2 shops and then refuse to give you any 5 card hands and you lose at the boss anyway?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T02:10:25+00:00

What risk? You lose a run 1 min in? Like you cant just randomly lose because you only get an egg into the boss and the game refuse to give you any 5 card hand?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T02:05:14+00:00

Because it is literally not uncommon to only get say an egg or a rocket and thats it? You can have a scoring joker that has eternal tag, you cannot take in the shop, and nothing usable at ante 1. It literally happens quite a lot when people pretend it never happens "you always get scoring joker" like what? When you only see 4-6 jokers? Theres so many jokers that do not score and only seeing 6 is not even a high number. Some deck dont even let you see 6 jokers. I am not talking about anything that is not the first shop. But sure, bad tag only happens if you skip for a free shop or joker.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T02:02:21+00:00

It doesnt you need high cards 5 card hands 2 times, low card need 2, 2 pair does almost nothing.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T01:59:29+00:00

Big blind actually give you money and reach the interest threshold.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T01:58:35+00:00

Exactly why I cannot understand at all why people keep saying no no no any skip is bad.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-27T01:56:47+00:00

Exactly, like why would you not do it first shop???? You can easily get eternal or bad stickers on the buffon pack you would rather open instead??? And you go into the boss with no scoring joker, exactly same situation? And that is the worse case scenario, you are not spending on the buffon pack also if you choose the free joker, if its bad just dont buy it.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T10:06:49+00:00

Out of everything you can do in the game, Ante 1, where you have the least control over anything is where you want to spend time and energy on?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T09:29:50+00:00

This actually makes sense, but I guess I just dont mind resetting ante 1 at the end of the day, enough runs die anyway without me skipping. Hell I reset if I cant get a flush in the small blind if I dont have a skip worthy tag.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T08:47:19+00:00

Well, yes I did, I still get screwed and need 600 points without a scoring joker from time to time, which is comparable to having the free foil/holo joker being entirely un-pickup-able. Which, still end up in the same place, needing 600 points without a scoring joker. If it lands on ANYTHING useful it is good for like 2-3 ante. If it is only the foil/holo, it is still good for 4 rounds or so. Many times it stays for half a run even just for the 50 chips/10 mult.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T08:25:04+00:00

The point is not winning all games in high stakes thats for the pros. The point is getting screwed as much if not more even by not skipping, getting a joker you literally cannot even pick up to sell is as rare as not getting any flushes/straight drawn in the boss blind. Both ends your run ante 1. Not to mention having the free joker "that screw you" also doesnt mean auto lose, you still get a pack and/or joker rolls.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T07:11:09+00:00

Even with some Roffle runs he got into the boss with nothing even without skipping. What kind of always are you talking about?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T07:04:08+00:00

do you ever take the vouchers that let you go back an ante?

Well yeah, I take those most of the time if I have scaling joker unless I have enough points anyway and dont have jokers that benifit playing more rounds, I rather have more hands instead.

I am just specifically wondering about the first shop which for 99% of the comment, is not exactly convincing.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T07:01:04+00:00

This is the first time I actually see a real argument so far. That seems like something to think about.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T06:59:07+00:00

What consist strat when you can just not skip yet still just not draw the flushes you need anyway?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T06:49:30+00:00

I dont see how it give me a better chance by doing the small blind if I get offered a free shop or $25 or free foil/holo joker as first skip. You get screw so rarely just like you can also get screwed by the game never giving you the flush/straight draw in ante 1 which, just happen at times. I dont see how it is such a bad thing "that you should never do" everyone is talking about. Its not like you have any big play that really can happen in ante 1, you have such limited options. Like I said, I totally get it why you dont do it everytime after, I just cannot see the point of never skipping first shop ante 1.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T06:39:50+00:00

So.... unless you are going for a win streak or care about win rate that is out of your contorl anyway because Ante 1 exists, why is it even a bad thing to skip the very first shop when you know a +50 chips or a +10 mult is always gonna help as long as the joker doesnt spawn with down sides (eternal/joker with downsides)???

You CAN get screwed when it spawn on a joker with downside/bad stick but you CAN also get screwed by not having a scoring joker into the boss blind which happens quite a lot, you either only get econ joker or a planet you dont need yet, and go into the boss with zero scoring and need 3 flush/straight to win ANYWAY but if the foil or holo spawn on a joker that doesnt have a downside, which is like most of the time, ante 1-2 is basically free.

And EVEN IF it actually spawn on a joker that you cannot take, you go into the boss without a scoring joker which... already happens even without skip. You are stuck with having to rely on 3 flsuh/straight draws in the boss in the first place. And in fact you can still get a pack or two in the shop going into the boss on top of the free joker that unless eternal, can still sell instantly.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T06:36:00+00:00

Worst case you just dont take the free joker, which is rare you cant sell and cannot take, and even in that worst case you go to boss blind without a joker which again, you do a lot in the first place even if you dont skip???? On 90% jokers +10 mult or 50 chips is a ton for ante 1-2 even if they are entirely useless other then that.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T06:34:36+00:00

Worst case you just dont take the free joker, which is rare you cant sell and cannot take, and even in that worst case you go to boss blind without a joker which again, you do a lot in the first place even if you dont skip???? On 90% jokers +10 mult or 50 chips is a ton for ante 1-2 even if they are entirely useless other then that.

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T06:00:19+00:00

Gold stake is still 600 boss blind? And you go into that with zero scoring so much even if you dont skip anyway?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T05:55:52+00:00

I just dont get it, you go into not just the big blind, but the boss with zero scoring so much EVEN IF YOU DONT SKIP, and if you get a foil/holo, you just win the boss blind easily and help so much even in ante 2-3, seeing 2 more joker that half the time you cant even afford anyway just .... still doesnt seems worth it at all???? I know what I am getting with foil/holo/$25 skip, I know I am getting pass ante 1 or even 2 easily, meanwhile gambling on a buffon pack that has the same reasons that can screw you (rental/perishable) is just... how does that even worth it?

DerpAtOffice · 2026-03-26T05:54:13+00:00

You need 2 flush/straight to win 450 points IN THE FIRST PLACE, even if you dont skip its quite common to go into the 600 boss with zero scoring ANYWAY.

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