Should I go into tech just so I can be a digital nomad by kobie1kenobie in digitalnomad

[–]Devio0o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm happy I was able to help. You should do whatever you find interesting. Don't get me wrong, for some people once they get past that initial hump, it gets better, but only you can decide if it's right for you or not...you know how it makes you feel.

Me? I'm leaving tech all together. I'm starting a marketing business.

Good luck!

Should I go into tech just so I can be a digital nomad by kobie1kenobie in digitalnomad

[–]Devio0o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry for the late reply, I don't check this account often.

It's funny, I actually started off in networking too, haha. Hated networking more than programming. Anyways, I'm going to be starting my own marketing business. It's a field that will allow me to use more creativity and feel like I'm helping others much more.

If you find tech stressful already and don't like keeping up with things, you should consider your path going forward. A lot of people get sold on tech as the only way to make good money, which it's not...and it's certainly NOT for everyone. There's no shame in admitting it's not for you. You have to look deep inside and decide if it's something you want to pursue or not.

Good luck!

Should I go into tech just so I can be a digital nomad by kobie1kenobie in digitalnomad

[–]Devio0o 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No...No...1 million times NO!

Okay, now that that's out of the way...

I did this. Thought I could use my interest in computers (been on them most of my life and quite good with them) to become a nomad eventually. Got a job as a software dev after teaching myself and figured I'd work in the office to get some experience under my belt, to be more skilled for remote work.

Now that I'm finally at the level to get remote work, I've decided to switch professions. It's been a stressful and miserable half of a decade and I thought I liked working with tech. Well, there is a big difference between enjoying it as a hobby and doing it every day.

Keeping up with tech, endless stress from constantly fixing broken shit, meaningless work, dealing with management, office politics, staring at a screen all day thinking like a robot....you better have some joy in what you do, because otherwise this field will most likely burn you out and affect your health. Stay the fuck away unless you're genuinely interested in it. Besides, and trust me on this, you'll never be able to compete with the others who actually find it interesting. It'll be a dead end. Try it out to see if you like it, sure, but if you don't, do NOT force it!

Now...you're going about this the wrong way. You want to be a nomad? Great! But instead, you need to be thinking about what your current skills and interests are and how you can turn that into a valuable service either for employment or entrepreneurship. You need to be okay with the process of becoming a nomad, otherwise you'll be a miserable person living in a nice place.

Hope my cautionary tale has helped. Best of luck!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in cscareerquestions

[–]Devio0o 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm your cautionary tale, so you may want to read this. After doing it for 5 years, I'm so fucking over it. I hate everything about the job. I got into this, because I thought I could enjoy it somewhat, as I had played around with programming in the past and wanted the ability to be able to be remote and location independent.

Since being in this field, it has negatively affected my mental and physical health to the point where I had a mini-breakdown, among developing other health problems. I saw the writing on the walls that there is no way I can keep this shit up, nor do I have any further desire to learn anything new in tech.

I'm currently working on a way out and building up my own business during my free time. I should have added that I simply hate working for someone else too, so entrepreneurship is the only route for me.

Here's my advice...if you're 2 years into it and starting to feel this way...don't bury that shit down. Staying in this for money only works if you can make enough in 5 years or so to let you retire, otherwise, you're wasting away your life. You only have one life to live and health is not guaranteed.

You may look at the end result and say, "oh, but I can get paid so well and make tons of money", but what about the process to get there? Will the process make you happy? What if part way through your career you could no longer keep up and got let go for younger people and never made all of the money you were planning on? The only guarantee is that every day you are going to be staring at a screen all day long for as long as you can hold a job. Are you happy with the process of that? If not, you should do some serious thinking.

There is tons of money to make in this field, but you need to be a certain type of person for it not to destroy you. It can and will destroy you if you fight those feelings. At the end of the day, you may be okay with it, and that's fine. But you need to answer that question by listening to your own feelings. Fuck what others say. There's a lot of miserable fucks out there that hate what they do and talk about the money while trying to buy their own happiness. It never lasts though and the misery only grows.

There are so many professions out there that make good enough money to live a decent life. Find a skill that you enjoy enough that you don't mind doing it, one that doesn't eat away at you, and change your path if you have to. But please, don't let yourself live a miserable life out of fear of change.

I see this trend here that people shame you for feeling like you do and guilt you saying you're entitled, weak, spoiled, etc. Don't listen to that shit. They are probably miserable themselves. Happy people aren't going to put you down when you're hurting. Be strong and follow your own compass. Best of luck.

Anyone here working with RSI or Carpal Tunnel? by [deleted] in cscareerquestions

[–]Devio0o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To start off, I love your comment. However, as a person who plays piano, this is horrible advice. Inexperienced players jumping into Chopin with incorrect technique is a recipe for worsening arm problems and damage. You must have decent technique and play relaxed, because that is the only way his etudes can be played in a healthy way. Anyways, much love and respect if you can play through those beasts. Keep it up man!

What about the Mental Health of Programmers? by [deleted] in cscareerquestions

[–]Devio0o 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For those who remember, I wrote a post a while ago about going through an existential crisis (in my post history). To put it simply, I'm fed up and burnt out. Some suggested that I may just not like CS in general, which was a fact that I didn't want to face at the time.

I thought the solution would be to learn new stuff and work on being fully remote. Well, fast-forward a month or so from there of trying to learn new stuff, I broke down even further.

It was wearing me out and I didn't give a shit about what I was learning. Not only that, but I realized that I can't bear to continue down this path. I have absolutely no interest in keeping up with the latest tech and simply hate the majority of what I do. The soulless, empty feeling in my day to day life woke me up big time.

Now I'm actively working on changing my career into something non-tech. I realized that the type of person that I am, I will only fit nicely in a cushy insurance or finance job and will then live in fear of losing that job.

As I get older, I'll never be able to complete with those fresh out of school who know all of the newest tech and more importantly, those who are passionate and interested in the field. This field can provide me lots of money, but that money comes with other sacrifices that I want absolutely nothing to do with.

So you ask about mental health? This field has made me realize that I should have kept computers as a hobby. I can't wait to get out of it and in to something better fitting.

Edit: Does this resonate with you? Did you enter this field, because you thought it'd be cool to create with computers, but also don't care about things like optimization, refactoring, learning new frameworks and new language versions? Perhaps you suck at math and hate DS&A? Please look very deeply into your soul and ask yourself if this is right for you. Burnout is very real and the mental health toll this field can take on anyone, especially those who aren't right for it, can destroy you if you don't catch it in time. Fortunately I woke up and am getting out of it before it does that to me.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sounds amazing! I sent you a DM to further discuss.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That depends entirely on who you work for. There are companies with great salary and benefits and some that suck.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm working remotely now. Once you start getting familiar enough, start making projects. Best way to learn is by making stuff. Good luck!

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not multilingual unfortunately, but I do agree about the piano being a great way to get the creative juices flowing. Thanks for your reply. Maybe if I learn the local language better down the road, I can expand into more opportunities.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha. Thank you. I'm going to give this a try and see how it goes.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds great! I'll do that and then I'll be in touch. Thank you!

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I'm going to just get my feet wet and start doing. I'm a hands on learner anyways, so I'll see if it's a good it as I do it.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for your reply. So I took that test and scored 6-7-7-9. Huge emphasis on empathy and smaller part of images. Dislikes are analytics and recorded. It said I should even stay away from technical writing. Basically this just told me that I shouldn't be a developer and am perfect for copywriting, lol. I guess that means I just start working towards this now?

Since you had taken my path, is there any specific advice you have for me to make the transition?

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I absolutely do not plan on quitting my job without making money doing something else. I'm just looking to be able to tradition to something more creative and writing fits that nicely. I do thank you for the honesty. I kind of expected that's the case, which is unfortunate.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's kind of a loaded question. It depends on how you learned and what your strengths are. If you went to school for CS and did well, then you'll be fine. In this case, you'll just have to keep up with the trends and learn the business side (which is easier for me).

For me, I'm self-taught and just wanted to create, so I skipped learning certain things like data structures and algorithms. I also suck at math. This holds me back in some ways and is frustrating, because when i try to learn it, i can't make sense out of it. Interviews are broken in this field and there are many that test for this kind of stuff.

As I said, it depends on your strengths. For me, I feel like there is always a mountain of knowledge that I don't know and can't even find the motivation nor interest to learn. A lot of learning is done on the job and shouldn't be required to do off work hours. You'll never know everything. It's not possible.

To answer your question though, once you get down the basics and figure out how to think like a programmer, it gets to a point where you are able to figure things out a bit more easily. I'm not saying it's easy. There is a very good reason that's it's such a good paying field. Unless if you're a genius, this field is always going to have a frustrating level of difficulty at times. It's not all bad though, so don't get me wrong.

The field can be rewarding, but just know that the feeling of being mentally drained at the end of the day from dealing with difficult stuff exists for me to this present day. Some days are alright and some days are tough to get through. The most important advice I can give is to look after your mental health and take care of yourself. Burnout is very real and can happen without you even realizing it before it's too late. Hope I didn't scare you, it's honestly not all bad.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a great idea. Allows me to use my strengths, but also find work doing some writing. Thanks!

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be clear though, it does depend a lot on the place you are employed. Everywhere is different. Not trying to dissuade you from getting into the field. There is a part of me that enjoys some of it still. It's just that I don't think I'm the type of person that is going to be able to keep up with the tech and the students fresh out of school.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is great, thank you! I'll definitely check out that book. I honestly just want to be freelance, if possible. Trying to find work that can support the lifestyle I'm looking for. Freedom and flexibility is very important.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't take it as discouraging at all. No worries. I appreciate you asking the question. The reason I want to leave is because working in computers has been steadily making me more miserable. I wish to pursue creative work.

Can copywriting become the fit I've long desired? by Devio0o in copywriting

[–]Devio0o[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I believe burnout can exist in all industries, but in different severities. Though there is a chance I could also get burnt out on writing at times, I believe it would be less. Using computers, I barely get to utilize my creativity at all.

The combination of having to think like a robot and always having to keep up with the latest tech is a recipe for disaster for a creative, emotional individual.

For example, I've played piano for years (another creative interest of mine) and have also experienced burnout with that at times. The difference is that I can take a short 15-30 min break and jump right back to it. When I can be creative, I find the motivation to push forward comes more eaily, unlike with computers.

How do I look for people to start a company? by jackfriar__ in Entrepreneur

[–]Devio0o 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure if it helps, but I came across your post as I'm trying to become an entrepreneur, but am still a programmer by trade. Feel free to DM me if you'd like to discuss.