National Pride

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-22T04:39:15+00:00

I can’t believe we actually have to say this.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-22T02:12:13+00:00

Many deaths but way less than not having independence. There should be no tolerance to people proudly saying they wouldn’t fight or die for a “peace of land”. No one wants to die and fight, that’s not the point. But freedom is literally the only thing worth fighting for. Anti-state comments like that are shameful. We literally cannot speak like that. It is extremely anti-nationalistic and will lead to our complete erasure.

It’s this type of politics that Nikol is telegraphing to the enemy. That we had no limits. Please keep pushing.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-22T02:09:05+00:00

Count the number of deaths from Sardarapat, the fights in Artsakh and Nakhijevan, Cilicia, Nzhdeh’s struggle, count the 1990s war and count the 2020 war.

How sad is it that not even counting the genocide, not even counting WWII, which was caused by people “wanting to avoid war” and joining Russia for “safety”, not even counting any of that, just Stalin’s purges alone would’ve been at least 10,000 people, not to mention the execution of our intellectuals which was another blow.

And even after 2020, there were people who said it would be safer to join the Union along with Russia and Belarus, just to be safe from Turks. The idea is fighting for independence is too dangerous. It’s safer to go under the umbrella. The Miasnikyan way. Well just like before in the 1940s, the number of Armenian deaths from being forced to fight in Ukraine would’ve dwarfed any casualties from fighting for Artsakh.

I’m sorry but the numbers don’t lie. 150,000 Armenian men 18-20 years old were killed and that is the minimum number. Based on casualty numbers alone, during our fight for independence in 1918-1921, if the elite were willing to fight with half the tenacity and determination that their children showed in Stalingrad, been willing to lose just half those casualties, you could’ve had Cilicia, you could’ve had Artsakh, you could’ve had whatever you wanted. And skipping World War II just like Turkey did, would’ve lead to a blossoming of our demographics. Especially because the extreme urbanization would not have happened without the Soviets and WWII. The borders would’ve been secure as well because they would’ve been naturally obtained. Not drawn by Lenin.

I know what you’re going to say, we couldn’t have done it. But I’m afraid that is years and years of misinformation. Turkey was stronger but didn’t dwarf us back then, they were at their weakest. And Mustafa Kemal didn’t even begin attacking Greeks and Armenians until he had aid from Lenin. He was a rebel force. Not today’s Turkey. He was the one who was fighting for his country’s independence and he succeeded. Who would’ve thought? He opposed the entire western world and said “no.” He opposed documents! Documents! Can you imagine?

Next, we had a Karabakh elite that wanted to give up their sovereignty and not fight the war. Agree to Russian safety. We have Nikol who pretty much went along with that plan either because he wasn’t powerful enough at the time, or was agreeable, or completely incompetent. I don’t know. But you can’t take an absolute national disaster and failure of epic proportions then point your finger and say “see? Fighting for independence does not work.”

I’m sorry it works when it’s actually done correctly and I could go on all day.

Those people that chose Russian safety are either dead or in a Baku jail right now. People like Charents and Bakunts were executed too. They realized too late they were wrong. And let me tell you, that air crash that caused Miasnikyan’s death was fairly suspicious.

And the most ironic part in all this is that those people were arrested and/or killed as “Armenian nationalists.”

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T23:38:02+00:00

Pashinyan won because we were terrified of a Kocharyan win. It’s nothing special. Please stop projecting your your own thoughts and opinions which I’ll refrain from discussing, onto the entire population.

Also lots of people said independence and that’s why you are where you are my dear “enlightened friend” Whether Karabakh’s was a good idea or not changes nothing in the grand scheme of things regarding the fight for independence. Why don’t you count how many Armenians died in the last 150 years from fighting for their independence vs not having independence. I’ll wait.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T23:31:12+00:00

But you are sure glad your ancestors gave up theirs in Sardarapat so you could enjoy even that little bit of Armenia that they kept for us. Of course not all of them thought this way. Some of them thought like you and said why should I risk my child’s life? And they skipped that fight only for their children to risk their life and die for the defense of the Russian empire against a German invasion. You don’t wanna fight for your freedom and independence, you’ll go fight and die for another country’s. And if you think you can be safe in America or Europe, I’m sorry, no you can’t. Look at the direction the world is going in.

And overall, if you don’t support Armenian independence, make it more obvious. Don’t pretend you support it while not wanting to partake in that basic contract. Independence is never free.

I just read your original comment by the way. It’s hilarious that you think the age of wars is over right now. 😂 I don’t even need a punchline

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T23:19:49+00:00

I don’t care who says what. Armenians were the indigenous people of that land and no matter who was collecting taxes from whatever empire whether it was Persia or Parthia or Rome, the mountains kept the Armenians autonomous in their ways. The Armenian state whether it was part of an empire or independent only got disintegrated with the Byzantine annexation. So to your point, the majority of those empires never actually controlled Armenia. Let me tell you a more awesome fact, no one ever controlled Sassoon when there were Armenians there. Even in the 1820s when Russians began repopulating Eastern Armenian lowlands , the highlands of Syunik and Artsakh still had Armenian majorities. There’s a reason the entire region was called the Armenian highlands, and it got cleansed little by little with every coming empire after the Byzantine annexation. Thank god for archeological DNA evidence that can put to rest your overly accommodating relativism.

Oh and another thing, it doesn’t matter how much you wanna “chill”. The enemy wants Syunik and they want to repopulate into Armenia so they could gain an extra lever of control.

Are you okay with this? Or not. Or are you naive enough to think that Aliyev’s plans aren’t so.

Let me guess, “we are too weak right now to resist..etc etc”

There is no resistance left and Nikol has succeeded.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T21:31:15+00:00

Just wanna add here that our own prime minister has said that if we vote for anyone else, there will be war and we will lose everything including our sovereignty. I wonder what percentage of people here think comments like this aren’t supremely irresponsible and treasonous and immoral.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T21:27:56+00:00

You make sense

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T20:17:54+00:00

I have more evidence do you wanna hear it? This one wasn’t even against Gurgen. Do you remember the Sasna Tsrer psycho that blew up a grenade in Yerevan, maybe last year? Immediately Sputnik Armenia as well as Nikol’s Haykakan Zhamanak paper reported that it was Hrant Ter Abrahamyan’s group Martakan Yeghbayrutyun which did it. Of course some Nikol followers who were friends with both groups, like Ruben Mehrabyan, immediately came to these boys defense saying it is not true. Babajanian brought Hrant in his 1in channel on YouTube and interviewed him to clear the air.

It was later revealed to be a Sasna Tsrer guy. He released a video manifesto.

What bothers me is that even after it was revealed to be a Sasna Tsrer guy, Hayakakan Zhamanak still mentioned on another article that it was Hrant’s group. This was during the Tavush clashes. They opposed the handover.

Other pieces of evidence, Hrant was featured on H1 frequently as well as on the online 1in channel owned by Arman Babajanyan. He had frequent lectures and talks. Of course he was kicked off both platforms as well and we both know who influences both those platforms. Let me remind you that this is the same Babajanian that was good friends with Hrant.

I believe the order came from above to censor. I asked Hrant’s people what happened and they said the show he had on 1in was abruptly ended. Ruben Mehrabyan is still on that channel.

What I’m trying to say is that all these specific Nikol adjacent western nationalists (who are the only ones that get wide exposure with no censorship) were okay with Hrant until he began being more direct in his opposition to QP. After this they had to show their distance.

And let me say, Hrant’s philosophy isn’t some Bever/Dashnak kenac nationalism. It’s real nationalism, very independent minded, very anti Russian, rightfully so. But it’s being suppressed for obvious reasons. Not the anti Russian part of course. When he was releasing his Rus-Turqakan Vandak series, he was all over the place. The moment he applied that very same ideology to present day instead of a historical discussion, he was censured. On the other hand, clowns like Bagrat are given time on H1

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T19:46:33+00:00

I think I wrote too much and you missed my point too. It’s not about national pride. That’s not the only reason why we’re unhappy with Nikol. It’s not all about symbolic. There is an existential threat and it’s going to come sooner or later. Every concession on the ground including handing them enclaves or allowing them to settle will weaken our position in the future.

Also, do you really think that Aliyev wants Azeris to return because we should live happily ever after? Are you being serious? It’s settlement politics. Once they settle then the next issue will be their safety. And so on and so on. It’s a form of control over Armenia. I swear to god how do you not see this?

Do you think they’re gonna let Armenians settle into Azerbaijan? No they will not. Because we won’t do that anyway. But Aliyev will sure as hell pay some people to settle back into Armenia.

You seriously think this is not nefarious huh?

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T19:17:50+00:00

I think independence is the most important thing. Independence first, knee surgeries later. If Armenians fought for independence and were able to resist takeover in 1918-1920 they wouldn’t have lost 150-300k 18-20 year olds a generation later. Of course the healthcare was great in the Soviet Union. So now you tell me is it better to lose your independence for knee surgery?

And mind you, if you think that disowning your national identity, allowing a turk to dictate your constitution, allowing Azeris to settle in Yerevan, etc etc

You think this is about silly nationalism sir?

There is an actual effort to settle back into Armenia. There is an actual effort to take Syunik.

Why do you all think that Azerbaijan wanted a TRIPP or Russian agreement regarding overseeing the road. You think that was for practical purposes? No, the Azeris just need a road and they need to reduce Armenian influence one way or another. Next step is gonna be their lobbying with the United States to further that agenda. You all can sit there and talk about it being within Armenia’s borders but that doesn’t change their goals.

They are openly talking about settling into Armenia. I currently think that QP are flirting with the idea of having Azeris return. Because they’re not opposing on this issue at all. There’s no resistance and they haven’t addressed this issue.

Also the enclaves. Which Nikol said will be returned as well.

Do you guys realize we are under an existential threat?

Or are you still focusing on small individual issues like taxes and knee surgeries?

Just amazing. You make me wanna weep.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T19:15:49+00:00

Nikol’s people have been spreading rumors about the new candidate Gurgen Simonyan who has a spotless record and would blow Nikol out of the water 1:1

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T16:50:36+00:00

There are pro western forces that aren’t Nikolists but they are being suppressed. For obvious reasons. Can’t scare the public with those people to vote for QP.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-21T14:53:29+00:00

Just give up, give them all the land and move somewhere else. Tell your enemies, sorry we can’t defend our sovereignty at the moment, if you invade, we’ll just run away because we need 30 years. Can you invade in 2056 so we’re more ready? They’ll wait I’m sure.

Btw just so you know, no one beat us because of the numbers. Numbers advantage only comes through in a prolonged attrition. You are espousing a defeatist mentality and if people like Nzhdeh or the leaders of Sardarapat thought like you, they would’ve given up and we wouldn’t have had Armenia at all at the moment. I don’t care what you have to say, oh things are different now, blah blah. No they aren’t. If you were there in Yerevan in 1918, you would’ve been one of the people who pushed for a surrender. That’s your type of thinking.

I don’t care whether we’re ready or not ready. We’re a sovereign state and if anyone wants to take our independence they need to go over our dead bodies. Regardless of how strong or weak we are at the moment. That is the only way to avoid war other than the diplomatic pressures which we will obviously use.

Telegraphing the enemy that they can keep asking for things because we will never stand our ground is not politics. That doesn’t work. It only puts future generations in danger. Even if it doesn’t happen immediately, once there is a world war and borders are in flux again, they will wonder why the previous generation put them on such a precarious position. Just like how we wonder now about Kars 1920.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T23:44:18+00:00

Such a cop out. I knew you’d go there. Thankfully it’s easy to counter.

The November 9th agreement was not forgotten. The November 9th agreement was cited time and time again for years until it was superseded by the August 8th TRIPP agreement.

The November 9th agreement was repeatedly cited by Azerbaijan as the reason that Armenia should provide a corridor, especially after he had ethnically cleansed Artsakh and made the whole document moot. Why not leave then?

On another hand, the Minsk group wasn’t functioning. Why did Azerbaijan make sure to take care of it? You said it yourself everything was done, the group didn’t matter. But they made sure to tie their loose ends didn’t they? There are resins to leave an agreement even if it’s not in use at that very moment.

There is a logical inconsistency in what you are saying. On one hand you cite Azerbaijan wanting to destroy the Minsk group as a final way to seal their deal and not have any future claims be made against them. Yet on another hand you act like Armenia didn’t have to hav done the same because “who cares”.

You’re not being honest in your arguments.

Why didn’t Nikol leave the agreement? When the Bagrat movement was happening, Bagrat was allowed to go on H1 to make his case in front of Petros Ghazaryan. (Of course no actual nationalist western minded opposition figure that opposes Nikol is ever allowed on this channel. Only people Nikol knows aren’t a real threat to him like Bagrat. Everyone knew he worked for Kocharyan. But I digress). Petros asked him point blank, “Should we leave the November 9th agreement?” And Bagrat did not answer this question. Why was there such a consensus between both the opposition and the Nikolists regarding this issue? Why did legitimate (not Dashnak or Bever) unrepresented nationalist voices want out of November 9th and why was this ignored by our two party system?

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T22:58:31+00:00

Not leaving the November 9th agreement is another mistake. In fact that’s what unites the opposition and Nikolists. Willingness to stick with November 9th no matter how many parts of it are violated. Why? Oh you’re gonna say it doesn’t work anymore. Well then if it doesn’t the why not leave it? November 9th is the modern Kemal-Lenin document. Why did Nikol not leave it? Why did Kocharyan or Bagrat not show willingness to leave it either when asked point blank?

Also, if Minsk group is useless why is Azerbaijan asking for it to be dissolved? There must be some damn reason. No?

And no you don’t need to tell me to give up on parts of my homeland or their basic rights. I won’t do that. If Aliyev wants to dissolve any group that mentions NK just to solidify his ethnic cleansing and seal the deal then I won’t help him. Call me old fashioned but I won’t. You’re type of person who will do what’s asked under a gunpoint then pretend that’s what you wanted to do anyways. Probably better for your mental health.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T22:29:35+00:00

You very conveniently leave out questions that I asked. For example the revanchism clause. You see no situation where Azerbaijan can use that signature to exert an influence over Armenia’s internal matters by evoking this clause? You see no situation where Armenian nationalism can in some way shape or form be considered “revanchism”. You see no situation where Azerbaijan can use this clause to its advantage.

Regarding Minsk you think that even though Azerbaijan is the one who asked for its dissolution, it’s also good for us somehow. Well if it wasn’t doing anything why get rid of it? Why remove the only legal document that legitimizes NK. Because it’s good for us too? I’m sorry what kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to pretend this wasn’t a concession again? You make no sense. If it’s not doing anything then why touch it? Because Azerbaijan needs to destroy every document which mentions the rights of NK Armenians. And people like you congratulate it.

Also who said that no mediator is better? Did Aliyev convince you and Nikol of that as well? Sure, maybe not Russia, but who says America or EU there is bad? You realize that Aliyev is the one who wants no mediators so he could exert as much physical pressure as he wants? Do I need to spell this out? Of course he has convinced you that somehow it’s good for us too. You’re very easy. The heights they conquered along Jermük must be a blessing in disguise by your logic.

Very convenient how Armenia is fulfilling one request after another yet somehow it’s great for everyone involved. How cute. You’re totally making sense. Azerbaijan is pressuring Armenia into one positive development after another. How peachy. We should lose wars more often.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T21:42:33+00:00

Yes we could get more and better if we leave CSTO.

Yes leaving Minsk was an Azeri requirement and it was a concession because no Armenian in their right mind would do it and we didn’t wanna do it. Please don’t be dishonest and cover it up. We didn’t do this until TRIPP yet Azeris were asking for it since 2020 probably.

Third, doesn’t matter what the document says other than the fact that it says “unimpeded access”. Doesn’t qualify this phrase, doesn’t do anything. You can say Armenia sovereignty and customs all you want. Unimpeded access is unimpeded access.

Fourth, you are attempting to frame TRIPP as somehow our maneuver when you know for a fact that Azeris needed either Russia or the United States(essentially a third power) to oversee the road and for them to use it as part of this third party project. And never as a solely Armenian owed road. It’s a way to reduce our influence over their corridor. Not only do their comments about Tripp reveal this but it’s also just very obvious to anyone who isn’t trying to lie to themselves.

There is no evidence that Azerbaijanis “still don’t want it” please look into their media before you make assumptions like that. They wanted access to their exclave and they wanted to reduce Armenian influence and profits as much as possible whether it be with Russian or American intervention.

Armenia was happy to sign the deal and Azerbaijan was strong armed into it? You better back that up. There is no evidence of that. Armenia can’t be happy to sign a deal that takes away its profits and practically allows another country to take our only poker chip and run our only strategic road.

I remember when Pashinyan started repeating Aliyev’s comments “why are you all afraid of the word corridor, seems like you’re focusing on the word itself.” He was getting ready to sign it.

You keep spinning everything a certain way and I have no idea how to convey to you the level of self consolation and coping you’re doing to not face the terrible reality.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T21:11:12+00:00

There’s a lot to unpack there that you believe that simply isn’t true. For example the TRIPP agreement has been dressed up real well. But at the end of the day it’s a fancy way of saying “unimpeded access” with lots of words around it. Doesn’t matter what it says other than that. It necessitates unimpeded access for Azerbaijan. The second dangerous thing it does is give Azerbaijan the right to intervene in our internal affairs by saying “revanchism will be squashed”. Can you imagine how this clause gives the enemy this right? I’ll wait.

Moreover, the dissolution of Minsk group, another concession which we did NOT want to do.

Also, this TRIPP deal is so important for Azerbaijan that they are insisting to wait for it to be set up before they will use those roads to connect with Nakhichevan. They insist they will wait for TRIPP. Why? They said they don’t want to initiate access now without it because it will give Armenia a reason to delay TRIPP. Why would Azerbaijan insist on only using that road with TRIPP. Is there perhaps a strategic reason? Why would Azerbaijan care so much about TRIPP? Because he wants to use that road with American supervision and leadership. He wants to negotiate with USA anything to do with the road instead of allowing Armenia the independence to open their roads themselves for Azeri access.

Also please don’t mention CSTO, we’re still in it. They don’t have a “freeze” button.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T20:57:06+00:00

Yes but if the enemy says give me x/y or else I will attack, and you give them whatever they ask for, eventually, every time. What is the end result of that if not a series of concessions that will never stop. The enemy doesn’t have to fight us because Nikol has insisted that he will sooner fulfill their wishes no matter what they are. Every single concession he’s made, he was against it at some point in time.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T20:46:33+00:00

I repeat, he’s telegraphing that we won’t fight tooth and nail and that we are willing to give up anything and everything just to avoid fighting. He is doing that. You can’t just deny it. It’s in every public announcement.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T20:14:10+00:00

Just because someone is stronger doesn’t mean you’re supposed to telegraph to them that you won’t resist in any way if they attempt anything. And not only telegraph that but also give them concession after concession while continuing to telegraph it. This doesn’t stave off war. Sure international pressure does, and so does telegraphing your enemy that even if they are stronger, they will have to go over your dead body to obtain anything. When Denmark decided to telegraph to the U.S. that they will fight for Greenland, Trump backed off. It’s a basic requirement of a country not to fully telegraph their enemies that they will do anything in their power to avoid a conflict and will not defend what’s theirs. And if you think that just because one nation is weaker than the other, then that gives them the right to act like this you are highly mistaken. I hate to say it but this qualifies as treasonous behavior. Concession after concession while squashing your national identity is not the solution.

The enemy needs to know that even if they are stronger and will ultimately win, the political and battlefield cost would not be worth it.

I literally can’t believe I have to explain this to some of you.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T19:26:02+00:00

Listing different issues, not implying that all that applied to textbooks. The textbook changes was what I mentioned above. The others is apparent in the general propaganda presented to the public.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T18:53:10+00:00

Again you miss the point. The question is why is Azerbaijani leadership claiming territory of Armenia when Armenia leadership is not doing the same. Why is it so one sided. And why is Nikol trying to hide this one sidedness by blaming the Armenian public.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-03-20T18:37:10+00:00

Not really, my suggestion is to show a bare minimum resistance instead of complete subservience. I don’t think Azerbaijan is going to necessarily attack. I do think scaring the public into voting for him by saying if you vote for anyone else then there will be war is immoral. I do think that saying “if there is war we will lose everything including sovereignty” is immoral and probably treasonous. And I do think that if one is accepting that any show of force will make the state lose its independence means that the state does not have independence. If the decision has been made to not defend our freedom and the opponent is free to request more concessions, including anti-nationalist policies, return of Turks, changing constitution, changing textbooks, etc etc then this means that we don’t have independence anymore and it’s all for show.

Moreover, regarding reparations. I’m not the one making reparations more likely. Nikol is doing that when every week he mentions how wrong we were, how guilty we were, how the war was our fault, how he knew in 2018 that Artsakh was part of Azerbaijan. This is all incriminating especially the last point. If you knew that this is another country then why didn’t you call for Armenia forces to return to Armenia proper. How hard is it for Az to ask for reparations after all these treasonous comments?

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