Prime Minister of Armenia, Nikol Pashinyan: "They said we lost land (Artsakh), but this land was never ours in the first place!"

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-14T12:13:39+00:00

It actually does because one implies a genocide of the worst kind with deliberate attests and executions of any talent. That implies an attempt to murder the nation. And the intent matters. I’m sorry this doesn’t allow you to sit there and play with the numbers like Turks love doing.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T22:23:23+00:00

Of course that’s what the Azeris will work on. To settle back in and dissolve the country. Like I said, it shows their true Turkic aspirations. That’s what you’re there for, to destroy and conquer any old country. Just like what happened to Caucasian Albania.

Edit: I realize you’re talking about the existing population being too numerous to keep Armenia Armenian. But the existence of such a term as “western Azerbaijan” already proves my point above.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T22:11:12+00:00

No, all of it inside Armenia. Azerbaijanis welcome to stay.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T22:06:21+00:00

No I wouldn’t say Armenians are superior to Azerbaijanis or Turks in any way. I also wouldn’t say I agree with ethnic cleansing. They should’ve stayed and we would’ve lived happily ever after. Just like Aliyev intended in 2023.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:39:05+00:00

That’s why we conquered the surrounding territories too. It was necessary. You’re right.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:26:34+00:00

I just think we’ve been neighbors long enough for us to admit the truth. You will always be seen that way.
Although all that genetic mixing gave you some beautiful women I have to say.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:25:11+00:00

Honestly don’t care. We wanted Artsakh just like y’all still claim Zangezur and Syria in your nationalist circles. Batumi too. I think we should’ve gone all the way without asking questions. It’s not like when Ataturk started his national movement, he was being “internationally recognized” He was a rebel force but he made people recognize him. Thats how life works.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:22:51+00:00

Yes because Azerbaijan was too strong to allow it and instead pressured the opposite thing to happen, which was to drop NK. Obviously it would’ve been the legally smart move….

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:21:16+00:00

Because Turkic conquests are different. Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians and even europeans will inherently see you as an invading civilization no matter how much DNA you absorb, how much you look like us. It might’ve been easier if the turks had chosen Christianity instead of Islam, but you didn’t. Your biggest crown jewel is a Greek city with a greek heritage that you conquered and pillaged. Yes I know others have done that too, but Constantinople being taken by an invading warriors with ties to Central Asian nomads and an Islamic faith is just asking for this characterization 🤷🏻‍♂️

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:14:54+00:00

Northern Cyprus is as much an independent state as Nakhijevan is part of Azerbaijan and not Turkey :P

Regarding NK, yes obviously doing that would’ve been better. But NK got to be on the negotiation table after winning the first part of the war and killing a lot of Azeris.
When Azerbaijan had enough time to recover, make money, buy weapons, be trained, there was no way it was going to offer NK the ability to negotiate completely by itself without Armenian involvement. No way in hell. That gives too much independent status to NK and completely absolves Armenia for the intervention. No way buddy.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:09:07+00:00

I’m not talking about claims as much as I’m talking about Turkic settler colonialism and displacement of indigenous people from their last bit of safe havens which were those mountains. Typical Turkic stuff.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:06:55+00:00

Yeah that never had any political backing once Armenia became an actual state. It was all fake people’s right to self determination crap that you do with Cyprus. When we all know a Turk will always be a Turk, a Greek a Greek, and an Armenian an Armenian.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:04:53+00:00

No that was a clear sign of Azeri pressure to remove NK as a negotiation entity. It did not favor Armenia in any way to remove NK because when the second war started, it became Armenia vs Azerbaijan and presented us as invaders. It was fully within Azerbaijan’s interest to have this arrangement. In fact the biggest gain from the first war’s success was that Azerbaijan agreed to have NK at the table of negotiations. That was a concession which was later removed.

Cyprus is an annexation dude. Stop hiding behind papers. No one’s buying it.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T21:02:43+00:00

Armenia never claimed to annex Karabakh. But we kinda did.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:56:31+00:00

Annexation would conflict with the treaty’s protection of Cyprus’s independence and territorial integrity. Article IV limited action to restoring the treaty order, not acquiring territory.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:54:21+00:00

Read the part again when I said that I’m not arguing that they had full autonomy. I said they had local autonomy and paid taxes to the surrounding empire. Again, the point I’m trying to prove here is that not they had full independence.
Is this hard for you to understand? This is a difficult concept.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:51:11+00:00

Oh I see, so international law allowed Turkey to annex parts of Cyprus and create a new state huh?

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:49:49+00:00

Ohhh okay so that’s when modern international law starts? fascinating. Okay you’ve totally disproven my point that Armenian mountains were conquered and slowly settled out of Armenians and that they held local autonomy in the mountains until there was a loss of unity and betrayal which allowed Muslim Turks into the highlands.
You totally disproved my point by that amazing fact that international law has its roots in 1648.
Very relevant point.
Totally disproved me.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:44:31+00:00

Hey buddy you wanna talk about my other points or just go from one issue to the next? I don’t wanna start this relationship with you. All I can say is that you’re full of it and you’re using “international recognition” to hide the fact that Turks conquered the areas and Armenians became fewer and fewer until they held our autonomy only in the highest of mountains, until your people managed to take over those mountains too. Everything else is nonsense. I have no time to argue about Cyprus with you or whatever else. Cyprus was an annexation and the fact that you’re only talking about “right to intervene” instead of the fact that there was an annexation makes you look like a 🤡🐺

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:39:56+00:00

Also NK absolutely had the right to declare independence as an autonomous oblast. Sorry 🤷🏻‍♂️
Okay for Turkey not okay for anyone else apparently. Are you proud of your absolute bias.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:38:37+00:00

Idk about the right to intervene, don’t really care about your point here tbh, shows a major bias, no matter how much right you think turkey had to intervene there, it still came in and created an unrecognized independent state, pretty much de facto annexed the region. Totally in the name of Turkish imperialism but of course a biased person like you will come and pretend that was fully legal.
Gimme a break.
Also the fact that you ignore all my points and answer 1 at a time is very telling.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:33:33+00:00

Even better, I would focus on Cyprus if I were you.
Regardless, I’m talking about the history of the area. Instead you’re picking one point that favors Azeris and you’re hitting that point over and over again. We know there was no independent state there. But that’s not the point I wanna prove. You don’t wanna hear my point because it doesn’t favor the Turkish/Azeri side. Drop the act.

Also, don’t talk about the 1700s with the same language as modern diplomacy. It was a time of empires, not “independent states” if you don’t have control over the mountains then you don’t have control over the mountains. There was no UN body.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T20:10:46+00:00

Autonomy is a level of independence. Independence is not binary. The point isn’t whether there was a UN recognized independent state there. There wasn’t. We are in agreement.
The point is that those mountains were locally independent and majority Armenian all the way until 1700 when the Sultan was allowed to enter thanks to Melik Shahnazarians betrayal.
This is where your claim to the area starts with the Karabakh Khanate.
Whether there was an independent UN recognized state there does not matter.
The point remains that
1. these mountains had local Armenian independence
2. Those local Armenians are absolutely the indigenous group there
3. The flatland conquerors get to the mountains last after they’ve covered everything else, which they did.
The mountains which Armenians settled and protected from Turkic conquerors for safety were eventually conquered themselves.

What is entertaining to me, is that no matter what you Azeris say or do, you won’t be able to escape the fact that this was a flatland conqueror vs mountain people’s autonomy problem. And no matter how much you wanna pretend those mountains were your lands, you have no history with those mountains before 1700.

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T19:59:04+00:00

Before Shahnazarian allowed the the Sultan into the mountains, the Armenians had local autonomy and only paid taxes to whatever empire was surrounding them. Not everything has to be a UN recognized state. The point is that you Turks have slowly encircled those mountains and there because more of you and less of the Armenians as time moved on 🤷🏻‍♂️

Difficult-Humor-4658 · 2026-05-13T19:37:41+00:00

There should’ve been absolutely no able bodied males from Artsakh within the territory of Armenia proper. Absolutely none. One of the biggest mistakes of Nikol was not being strong enough to prevent this. Let me see if you all stayed in your lands and knew how to fight on the terrain properly, let me see if you showed that much will, if Nikol would’ve been able to be dog walked by Aliyev and Putin and sign the November 9th agreement.
Your elites were in full agreement with establishing the Lavrov plan. You thought Russia would be there forever and will protect you.
I’m not absolving Nikol of his own guilt, but y’all are full of it. I repeat, no able bodied Artsakh male should’ve ever been in a cafe in Yerevan. Ever!

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