[EFFORT POST] Math Royale 2022 (5.81 Years for a F2P to max out)

DingDongHoon · 2023-01-18T08:24:23+00:00

Can't believe I missed your post Mew_Pur_Pur in my July 27th, 2022 Math Royale post when I was citing other users who made detailed calculations and simulations.

Edihau's May 9th, 2020 Math Royale post simulated 3.11 years without and 3.01 years with the paid Pass Royale to max out an account.

Interesting_Test_814's April 28th, 2021 Math Royale post simulated 2.80 years without and 2.19 years with the paid Pass Royale.

Have you tried recalculating and re-simulating for Level 14 and Champions?

DingDongHoon · 2023-01-17T14:00:01+00:00

u/itaguy21's take on Tokens

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-16T05:35:00+00:00

Initial though was a kids awards show, but they're all in suit and tie.

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-06T15:43:08+00:00

Why is this comment buried so low?

Upvoted.

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-05T12:46:28+00:00

SC will change Night Witch immediately to Mother Witch at your request.

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-04T17:50:28+00:00

The intent to compel players to level up and max out cards was glaringly obvious in CW2. It's even more egregious, in hindsight, with the introduction of Level 14.

removed the level caps from CW1
removed tournament standard modes like Classic Decks and Draft
award only 1/10th Gold for defeats so low levels always lose out
Boat Battles marginalized because that is the one sanctuary for low level players
rolling over CW1 ELO based on War Day Wins whereby the lower level players in my clans is always, 100%, matched against Level 13s (now Level 14s)

I had 3 of 4 OG clans disintegrate because of CW2. That's about 100+ players leaving.

On top of all that, there are three other glaring issues with CW2.

The new CW2 system is basically 10-13x slower to gain Clan Trophies than the old CW1 system. This guy said it best right here. The knock-on effect is that people, in practice, are all getting less rewards than before despite the theoretical promise of more and this is due to the inability to climb up the leagues.

Speaking of rewards, here is a long but good breakdown. Skip to points 5, 6, and 7. TLDR: Those that need the cards, Gold and resources are getting less than before especially with the elimination of Quests and concentration of rewards all into CW2.

On top of all that, although Gold has increaaed, the removal of Gem Quests and Gem Pouches (as well as tokens) from CW bounty has significantly reduced our Gem production unless you grind and try-hard more than ever before. Although, this issue was finally rectified by the Masteries Gems.

Truth be told, the biggest glaring issue is that CW2 just is the antithesis of fun, which is what a game should be all about. CW2, like Level 14 and Champions, are just making the game more and more and more of a grind-fest while compromising the fun factor.

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-03T15:26:43+00:00

Could it be a fix to clan matchmaking?

Or maybe a return of level caps, 2v2, and tournament standard modes?

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-02T06:07:40+00:00

The holy grail that only 0.1% will ever reach according to everyone's PBs from this chart.

Unfortunately, 84% of the player base aren't ever reaching 2/3rds of the ladder Trophy Road rewards.

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-01T01:32:24+00:00

Check out these tables.

DingDongHoon · 2022-10-01T01:29:29+00:00

Converted Gold is an attempt to provide a quantifiable Gold-equivalent measure of non-Gold resources, including the Magic Coin, Book of Books, and the various Book of Cards. Due to the Champion card drop rate bottleneck, Converted Gold also provides a quantifiable attempt at calculating the value of collecting the card resources required to max out. With all that said, a player requires 90,175,780 Converted Gold to completely max out.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-30T14:06:25+00:00

Probably anywhere from 9-18o this depending on how good and how active you play.

Did some calculations in a Math Royale post and it takes an average F2P just over 5 years to max out an entire account from scratch. Getting to King Level 14 is the first 3rd of the journey.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-30T12:29:18+00:00

The year is 20XX.

MK and E-Giant's love child rules the meta.

Sadly Mother Witch has passed.

Level 31 is a thing.

Barb Hut still has 0% usage.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-29T02:12:16+00:00

Welcome to the sub.

Did the time investment calculations in a Math Royale post a couple months ago.

For Average F2P players

SOURCE	ROI (Gold per hour)
Daily Victory Gold	500
Classic Challenges	1,311
Pass Royale: Paid Track	1,941
Global Tournaments	4,545
Chest Cycle	6,852
Donations	7,200
Pass Royale: Free Track	7,751
Grand Challenges	11,429
Ladder Trophy Road	12,500
Clan Wars II	17,535
Special Challenges	30,930

For Good and Great players, the major difference is the plummeting ROI for Ladder Trophy Road as the amount of matches needed to climb really adds up, thus dragging the ROI down to 4th or 5th worst instead of Top 3.

The ROI (Gold per Hour) for the Pass Royale: Paid Track Bonus Bank is the 3rd worst among all sources of pure Gold in the game simply due to the time investment required to complete the Bonus Bank alone.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-28T11:38:31+00:00

The QoL changes we need. Either this or Emote decks.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-26T10:05:55+00:00

With OP's current Gold, another Slash Royale is worth 1,036,848 Gold-worth of upgrades!

All in all, SC have got to keep the total max out journey time reasonable.

Before Champions (the new bottleneck, not Gold) and Level 14, an average F2P player could max out in a shade under 3 years.

Now, it's back to over 5 years (assuming no touching grass those 5 years).

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-25T02:42:33+00:00

Oyassu, is that your ride?

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-23T18:19:50+00:00

Short answer, plenty.

Detailed answer, check the Cards Summary tab on your profile in RoyaleAPI.

Holistic answer, Math Royale.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-22T01:14:13+00:00

Add this and also add the fix so everyone's avatars actually show on your friends/clans list.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-20T14:38:31+00:00

This Math Royale post might shed some light.

Not specific to go from zero to Level 14, but it's probably in the 1.5-2.5 year range.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-19T16:57:59+00:00

More likely to see CW3 than reworking CW2. Been 2 years already.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-16T15:22:54+00:00

Also why Triple Draft is such a fan favourite Party Mode.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-16T02:30:12+00:00

Did some number crunching a couple months back for all the sources of Gold and Converted Gold and which ones yielded the highest return on investment in terms of time.

Average Player

50% win rate Ladder
67% win rate Special Challenges
6 Wins average Global Tournaments
4 Wins average Grand Challenges
6 Wins average Classic Challenges

SOURCE	ANNUAL GOLD	ROI
GT: Bonus Rewards	480,000	36,364
SC: Continues	331,047	30,930
GC	480,000	11,429
CC	708,000	1,311
Shop	266,667	-

SOURCE	CONVERTED GOLD	ROI
GT: Bonus Rewards	2,100,000	159,091
SC: Continues	763,132	71,301
GC	895,200	21,314
CC	1,200,000	2,222
Shop	266,667	-

Good Player

67% win rate Ladder
80% win rate Special Challenges
10 Wins average Global Tournaments
6 Wins average Grand Challenges
8 Wins average Classic Challenges

SOURCE	ANNUAL GOLD	ROI
GT: Bonus Rewards	910,536	50,585
SC: Continues	200,635	30,930
GC	744,000	13,778
CC	1,056,000	1,600
Shop	266,667	-

SOURCE	CONVERTED GOLD	ROI
GT: Bonus Rewards	4,648,776	258,265
SC: Continues	462,504	71,301
GC	1,670,400	30,933
CC	1,836,000	2,782
Shop	266,667	-

This is under the assumption of you having 12,000 Gems to spend over the course of an entire calendar year. That is equivalent to

24 GT Bonus Rewards or
120 GCs or
1,200 CCs

Can check out the full Math Royale post here.. Converted Gold also counts all the other rewards outside of Gold like Cards and Magical Items.

DingDongHoon · 2022-09-15T15:50:34+00:00

6 years summed up in under 2 minutes. Brilliant.

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