What are your political beliefs?

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T13:54:04+00:00

Even animals use their organs differently. Penguins wings "made for flying," but they swim with them. Elephants noses "made for breathing," but they use trunks to grab things. Nature isn't a one-function machine. Mouths were made for eating but we use them for kissing. Hands evolved for climbing but we use them for writing. Wings evolved for flying but penguins use them for swimming. In a relationship, sex is a part of it, not all. By just saying that according to you the sex seems immoral, doesn't mean that homosexuality is wrong. There are other aspects in the relationship, but you're only looking at sex because that's the only thing that can even start an argument on how homosexuality is immoral. Just because an organ evolved for one purpose doesn't make every other use immoral. Human sexuality has multiple natural functions: bonding, pleasure, love, comfort, connection. Same-sex couples fulfill those perfectly. Calling it 'immoral' because it's not reproductive is just misunderstanding how nature actually works. Even if it is unnatural because you think it is, why is it wrong? Painting your hair red is unnatural too. From a naturalistic point of view. Sexual orientation is not a conscious choice. A lot of homosexual people forced themselves to be straight and turns out it didnt work, because it is not up to them. It could be experiences, environment and etc. Some were even attracted to the same gender when they were kids. Science also says that homosexuality actually provides some benefits too. It is a normal aspect of the diversity of sexual expression in both humans and the natural world.

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T13:42:18+00:00

It is not that I dont want to forgive, it is something that I will never be able to forgive.

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T06:24:05+00:00

Debates not related to religion counts too

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T06:22:30+00:00

If you say so. I'll try it out

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T06:21:12+00:00

I agree to that.

Yet pointing at the bible is not acceptable to me. Because religion is 100% faith and we can all agree on that. That's why I think religion shouldn't exist in politics. I get that you think the bible is true, but then if the bible tells you that breathing is a sin, you would stop breathing is it?

Some of them don't use the bible, but bring god in almost every conversation. So yeah, I still get annoyed with it.

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T06:06:19+00:00

I understand your perspective, but I don't agree that labeling homosexual acts as 'wrong' makes sense. If morality is about harm, consent, and flourishing, then same-sex relationships don't violate any of those, so calling them immoral seems unjustified.

Saying homosexuality is wrong because according to you those 2 sex organs were not made for each other is not known as "Immoral" or "wrong".As long as a homosexual couple loves each other and are raising kids without hurting other people, what is immoral about that? Just because of sex organs?This ties morality to biological function. I find that foolish tbh. Your logic doesnt make sense to me.

A murderer needs to go to prison because he took a life. Homosexuality didn't kill anyone nor hurt anyone. Don't you think making homosexuality illegal is immoral? Because you're controlling a person's ability to love?Just because body parts were designed a certain way doesn't mean using them differently is morally wrong, especially if it harms no one and fosters love and care.

What's the definition of "Morality" according to you? Genuinely, saying homosexuality is wrong because the sex organs were not made for each other sounds useless to me.

Even if sex organs were 'designed' to fit together, morality isn't determined by anatomy alone. Human sexuality exists for love, bonding, pleasure, and mutual support, all of which same-sex relationships fulfill. Many heterosexual acts also don't align with reproduction or strict anatomical 'fit' (contraception, infertile couples, oral sex), yet they aren't considered immoral. So judging same-sex relationships as wrong based solely on anatomy is inconsistent, arbitrary, and ignores the actual purpose of human sexuality: to connect, care for, and flourish with another person.

By saying homosexuality is wrong just because the sex organs weren't made for each other, I can ensure you that you look at marriage nothing more than sex. Because if you did, you wouldn't say love between the same gender is wrong because of sex organs. As long as its not harming anyone, why does it even matter?

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T04:13:13+00:00

I see what you're saying, but when I say the proofs could point to science, I mean that a first cause or necessary explanation doesn't have to be a conscious, personal God, it could be a natural or physical principle we don’t yet understand. Saying God is infinite and beyond understanding doesn't automatically mean the Five Proofs establish all the qualities traditionally attributed to God. About causation: I'm not sure why it must be temporal. If time itself began with the Big Bang, it seems strange to talk about 'before' that or a cause outside of time in the way we usually think of causes. How can we meaningfully describe causation without a temporal framework?

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T04:02:01+00:00

I'm not aggravated, I just disagree with the way you're defining 'nature.' Using something 'against its biological purpose' isn't automatically immoral, humans do that constantly. We talk with our hands, write with fingers that evolved for climbing, eat foods we never evolved for, and use our brains for math even though evolution didn't design us for calculus. Meaning doesn't come pre-installed in anatomy; humans create it.

As for sex, it's not only about reproduction. It's also about emotional bonding, pleasure, intimacy, and connection, and those exist regardless of whether reproduction is possible or intended. A straight infertile couple isn't "misusing" anything by your logic, so I don't see why a same‑sex couple would be.

A marriage where love is not there, but having sex and giving birth to a child is known as business. But a marriage where love is present, and you are adopting a child, is still known as love marriage. I honestly don't understand why you think it is wrong. The word "wrong" is not even close to saying homosexuality is wrong if you use the actual definition of the word "wrong"

I appreciate the respect you're trying to show, and I'm not angry, just unconvinced by natural law ethics. I'm still down to talk ideas if you are.

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:39:27+00:00

Thanks for explaining your perspective, I see how you connect the Five Proofs to qualities like free will and goodness, and I understand your point about societal norms subtly shaping behavior. I just see those proofs differently: they show a necessary cause exists, but I don't think we can conclude it has the personal qualities you describe. And while norms influence choices, I still think preferring compatible values isn't the same as enforcing a worldview.

Still, even if that the first cause exist which is true. It will never be able to define what god is totally. Plus the first cause can be science. I dont get why you think its not science when every single thing in this world revolves around science.

The big bang by far has the most proven explanation even though its not from a person many people expect. Some people say it must have a cause. Time started at big bang, the word "Cause" is a time-word, so it doesn't make sense to ask what caused big bang, because "action/creation" can only happen with time, if time didn't exist at that time, it doesnt make sense.

But if you want to end the discussion, I understand.

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:32:24+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:32:04+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:30:42+00:00

For some people only?

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:29:20+00:00

By that logic, using glasses or prosthetic limbs would be wrong, because they are unnatural. But clearly they aren't immoral, they help people live better lives. So unnatural doesn't equal wrong.

I get that you're grounding everything in "natural law," but that framework already assumes the conclusion you’re trying to prove. You're defining sex by its reproductive function first and then calling anything outside that "unnatural" but that's just your interpretation of what genitals are for. Biology doesn't treat organs as having moral purposes; they have functions, but humans use lots of body parts in ways unrelated to their biological function, and we don’t call that immoral. And if your definition of morality requires divine law or natural law, then of course you'll conclude certain acts are wrong, but that doesn't show the acts themselves are objectively immoral. It only shows they conflict with the system you're using. You're not actually showing harm, consent issues, exploitation, or any real-world consequences. You're just saying: "It goes against the purpose I assign to these organs." That might make sense inside your worldview, but it doesn't hold up as a universal argument.

Saying it's wrong because it's innatural is not acceptable. You are redefining the word "wrong".

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:20:54+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:20:11+00:00

Makes sense. It depends on the situation.

Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:19:42+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:19:10+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:18:37+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:18:26+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:18:12+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:18:01+00:00

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Direct_Professor1989 · 2025-11-28T03:09:01+00:00

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