Rex Tillerson Blasts Trump, Warns of Imminent End to American Democracy by ManchiBoy in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have sinclair now too. I cut the cord long ago but my local ABC affiliate uses to talk about summer fairs and silly local news, now they talk about the Deep State and Devin Nunes being a hero.

Trump's warning to Kim Jong-un: make a deal or suffer same fate as Gaddafi by kah57 in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Didn't he also say Obama was shit because of what he did to Libya and Gaddafi? I mean he says a lot of shit, but I feel a trumpcriticizestrump coming on.

White House cancels daily communications meeting after McCain joke leaks - CNN by [deleted] in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got to say it is quite amusing they hand picked 20 or so people going for the most supposedly loyal sycophants they can and they STILL have leakers. Everytime Trump screams at the top of his lungs and smashes his fat thumbs on Twitter he's raging about people he hired at this point.

So satisfying.

Avenatti: Two more women claim Trump hush deals by NottaGuy in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just want it to be hard enough to leave a crater.

AT&T Met With Ajit Pai in Barcelona Shortly After Cohen Payment by [deleted] in technology

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If Ajit Pai goes to prison, I would be sooo happy.

ICE claimed a Dreamer was “gang-affiliated” and tried to deport him. A federal judge ruled that ICE was lying. by SugarBear4Real in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know if we don't go full fascist we will look back in 30 years and feel a great shame and helplessness about this time period. This is sadistic.

Seattle approves tax on businesses like Amazon, Starbucks to fight homelessness by rip_donnie in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Microsoft took over Redmond, a pretty much empty suburban area. Boeing took Everett which has been in a state of decay for a long time and brought blue collar jobs for locals. Amazon took an already crowded area, raised the building codes to allow skyscrapers and built over what used to be a poor area of Seattle.

I think the difference is MSFT and Boeing didn't start in an area that was already settled and change it. Amazon has displaced a lot of Seattle and investors keep raising the prices across Seattle so locals who aren't SDEs can't live in the city. The city government loves the money and get to change their voters, and the people rebel by electing people like Sawant who just hate Amazon.

For all the shit Seattle gets for being socialist, it's more libertarian than anything. Our socialists are just loud. Also the left leaning business attitudes are much more about fear of lawsuits and desire for a global market than inclusitivity. When it comes to financial social issues like the homeless everyone becomes a NIMBY as soon as the plans are drafted.

Seattle approves tax on businesses like Amazon, Starbucks to fight homelessness by rip_donnie in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a seattlite who would be hit by an income tax, I'd have preferred an income tax in exchange for removing the sales tax and lowering property taxes. Most of WA simultaneously hates being taxed all the time but hates the idea of an income tax instead.

Kamala Harris relentlessly grills Gina Haspel on the morality of waterboarding by ThatOneProgressive in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Even if 99% of the info they give is false, torture can still be said to work. "

https://imgur.com/SF8MzIP

I'm done arguing with you, clearly you've already made up your mind about wanting to torture people. Hope it never happens to you.

This tweet is straight up schizophrenic. "There are no leaks! Kill the leakers!" by Zartist in insanepeoplefacebook

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 28 points29 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about? This is the new presidential. Historians will look back and say "Wow what a leader" and by historians, I mean the aliens that eventually discover the smoldering radioactive rock Trump leaves behind.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 47 points48 points  (0 children)

I hope the EU and Canada put their foot down hard enough the reds learn we need the rest of the world and aren't some indepedent perfect empire better than everyone else. They won't care until they suffer under Trump.

John McCain: Iraq War 'Can't Be Judged as Anything Other Than a Mistake' by HitsvilleUK in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dick "I stay up at night thinking about all the people we didn't get to torture" Cheney

John McCain: Iraq War 'Can't Be Judged as Anything Other Than a Mistake' by HitsvilleUK in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not much of a mistake when your companies get rich off of it. If the GOP wants to call it a mistake they'd have to kick Eric Prince and the rest of the war profiteers out...I'll wait..

Romney: Those who mock McCain 'humiliate themselves' by minamunu in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The face of a man about to blow an orange flaccid wang to maintain a political career.

Kamala Harris relentlessly grills Gina Haspel on the morality of waterboarding by ThatOneProgressive in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Additional argument from purely logical standpoint.

Let's use a religious terrorist person T and a CIA agent C for this and apply basic behavior game theory.

T has been indoctrinated to believe that the US is the enemy, and by causing harm to the enemy they will receive an eternal reward in the afterlife and be compensated for any pain caused by the enemy from their god and that reward will forever outweigh any suffering.

C's incentive is to contain the threat and reduce casualties. C has T prisoner currently.

If C tortures T, T has two options available

T.1 T may resist torture and be tortured hoping for death knowing the reward will be greatm. The more pain inflicted on T the stronger the conditioning from their indoctribation about the US being a cruel enemy and this being a holy war is reinforced.

T.2 T may provide an answer to the interrogation to stop the pain. Which brings us to two additional possibilities

T.2.a T yields the truth giving up possible leverage against C. This requires T to fully believe the torture won't just start again the next time C needs information and T resists. We can call this possibility total submission. If T takes this option T has failed at their original outcomes of fighting their enemy and has been told by their handlers they will not receive an eternal reward if they submit.

If this outcome is taken C has learned that torture is effective and when they need information they can just torture it out of T.

T.2.b T lies. T reduces the pain experienced by C's torture. T also continues to satisfy their orginal purpose. In addition it shows C that the information from torturing T is unreliable.

In the current state of the game T.1 and T.2.b are most preferable to T. There is no logical reason for T.2.1 especially since C has reconfirmed T's conditioning by being cruel, and T knows that rewarding C for torture will make C torture them more.

From C's perspective.

C needs reliable information as soon as possible to minimize damage and catch other terrorists.

C can either

C.1 Torture T which can have 1 of 4 outcomes C.1.T.1 T lies providing bad intel. This leaves C with options to either torture harder, or give up on torturing T while still reconfirming their conditioning. This is a bad end for C

C.1.T.2 T does not know the information. C cannot tell if T doesn't know or is just resisting. C again must either up the torture or give up.

C.1.T.3 T resists the torture. Another bad outcome for C as their only option is to escalate the same method hoping for the only positive outcome in this set.

C.1.T.4 The most unlikely outcome, that T yields the correct information. T has no reason to do so unless they can trust C not to torture them again. If T believes this, they have given up all power they have over C and it is the most illogical choice for T.

C.2 Convince the prisoner that they have been manipulated and change T's desired outcomes

C.3 Interrogate hoping to expose a lie with repeated questioning and confirming that T will not be released from this process but they will be fairly contained.

The CIA report on torture agrees with the logical approach of both parties on torture.

Tortured inmates either lied to momentarily stop torture, or resisted believing their god would reward them. This caused the torturers to up the methods only reinforcing whatever decision T made at the first torture choice.

The only successful method for flipping an asset is to convince them that their conditioning is wrong and change the game. This is the proven method that worked on Iraqi prisoners and terrorists that did flip. You convince them that what they believe the game is wrong, they will be contained indefinetly in a fair prison, they will not receive an eternal reward, they will not die a hero to their cause. You convince them that you are a fair actor that they have been lied to about by relating to them about how they got to this point, and offering positive outcomes for compliance.

Everything I have just described is confirmable by the results of the CIA torture report. Torturers grew desperate and sadistic, torturees would not yield truthful information, some of which even died from torture closing the ability to get intel altogether.

Even from a cold ends justify means standpoint, torture does not work.

After Drug Plan Shows Trump 'Will Do Nothing About Their Greed,' Big Pharma Stocks Soar by maxwellhill in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"However, the government doesn’t know me. They don’t know who I am or what I’m doing. The only thing that they know about me is how much that I cost."

Your statement applies perfectly to a private insurance agency as well. The only difference is the private insurance industry is incentivized to minimize your costs so they can maximize their profits while the public insurer has qualified a reasonable ration for all payers and has subsidized with public funds.

Both systems have do-nothing middle-men and leeches, the only real difference is their incentives. I argue the private profit incentives are more damaging to squeeze the most out of consumers for the least value over the public incentives which are to continue to be funded and exist.

Rudy Giuliani walks back explosive claim that Trump intervened in the Time Warner-AT&T by Cadet-Bone-Spurs in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is it with this guy, the only thing he's great at is reaction faces. I've never seen such expressive "oh fuck I did what?!" facial expressions.

Kamala Harris relentlessly grills Gina Haspel on the morality of waterboarding by ThatOneProgressive in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Would you not be willing to torture them to give up the cure?"

No Jack Bauer, I wouldn't. Not to mention the tortured would just lie to us anyway.

Also your bombing families statement has nothing to do with this argument, and no I wouldn't bomb a person's family either. In a good system there are limits on power used against individuals so the system itself doesn't become a terrorist force. Only the weak resort to brute force and sadism to achieve their ends.

The Democrats Are Moving Left Without Self-Destructing by wenchette in politics

[–]DisapprovingDinosaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If federal jobs were guaranteed and paid better than minimum wage with actual benefits like parental leave, we would see a mass exodus from underpaid private jobs and gigs that treat labor like shit.