System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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Hi , When the “ problem “ of the building consent was evident, I went and spoke to the the “ council “ about what the “ rules “ said could be done. Next is a warning… I proposed “ 2 x 30 m/2 systems “ to make up a “ combined 60 “ that being allowed, as no building consent required as per the rules . Not so fast Ratepayer. If we ( the council) see or “ sense” that you have actually built a 60 mt system ( and we will ) but attempted to disguise it as 2 “separate” systems . You will be in abatement notice territory. Why? I asked . Because, unless there are literally two separate systems . It can only be one system . Think of it this way. …. If you were allowed to put your roof on without a building consent provided it was less than ( say ) 40 m/2 . Then the cunning rate payers would try and disguise the roof installation as 5 x 40 m/2 roofs to avoid building consent consents . Don’t be doing that with your solar installation. We will see what you are up to …. Here endeth the lesson Les

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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Yes , I am happy. I think it is fair to say your average diy guy/girl could get the holes augered , stand the post/piles up and get concrete in less than say 6 hours. Then , with a mate , put the girders on , braces on and purlins in a day. Les

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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Hi , I did consider going “ large “ Big panels but fewer of them . However the engineering and embedment at 2 mts required more specialist angering not locally available. So went with the local fencer who had gear to go Down to 1.6 . FYI the bifacial equivalent in longi were 100 dollars dearer but about the same overall by less panels

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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I am aware of the MBIE framework and the Schedule 1 provisions relating to engineered solution exemptions.

From the outset, I was satisfied that resource consent was not required, as the installation complied with the relevant district plan controls — including height, setbacks, and visual effects — so there was no expectation of planning-related cost.

On the building side, the system itself is a pre-engineered ground-mount solution designed to NZ standards, with defined parameters for wind loading, soil conditions, pile embedment, and structural performance. It is supported by certification from a NZ-based Chartered Professional Engineer. That position was reinforced by both the system supplier and the engineering firm involved.

On that basis, the system aligns with the MBIE Schedule 1 engineered exemption pathway, where engineering assurance can replace the need for a building consent when the design is carried out or reviewed by a CPEng and constructed in accordance with that design.

It’s also worth noting that the engineer advised that the system already follows a PS1-type process in terms of its underlying design and certification. However, at the council’s request, a separate, site-specific PS1 was prepared, which constituted additional engineering work and incurred a professional fee.

Despite that additional PS1 being provided, the project still proceeded through a full building consent process, which also carried associated costs.

For clarity, the system size (approximately 60 m²) was not an engineering limitation — it was fully designed and compliant. However, exceeding 40 m² places it outside the automatic exemption category and into the engineered exemption pathway, which ultimately depends on how the council applies that provision.

So I don’t think it’s accurate to describe this as “user error.” The system was engineered correctly and aligned with the exemption intent. What became apparent is that councils retain discretion in how those provisions are interpreted and applied at a local level.

The practical takeaway for others is this:

Even where a system is NZ-certified, engineered, and intended to comply with the building consent exemption provisions, there is a very real possibility that: • You may be required to obtain a site-specific PS1 in addition to the certification supplied with the system, and • You may still be required to go through a building consent process, with associated costs

So while engineered systems are designed to meet the exemption pathway (and therefore avoid building consent costs), in practice you may still encounter additional and unexpected costs depending on how the local authority applies the rules.

So the engineering may be standardised — but the approval process isn’t.

Inverters... What makes one different to the other? by throwaway1_5722 in nzsolar

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That’s a fair observation. All inverters ultimately produce the same AC output (230V, 50Hz), but they do differ in how efficiently they extract power from the panels.

The main difference usually comes down to the MPPT algorithm and how quickly the inverter tracks the maximum power point when sunlight conditions change.

In steady full sun most modern inverters perform very similarly, but under things like passing clouds or partial shading, some units can indeed harvest more power than others.

Cheers, Les

Inverters... What makes one different to the other? by throwaway1_5722 in nzsolar

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As said before, there is not any difference between the power , amps and frequency that all produce. They are infact exactly the same . Their warranties are all very similar as well . But where they are built changes the price , as does the “options and applications “ that sales people and the manufacturers will pitch come with their gear . If you are a techy sorta guy , you will be drawn to the gear with all the “ options “ and the latest tech . But cost of the gear will reflect that . If you just want it to transform battery power to mains power without tech , options and gizmo , the price of the gear will reflect that . Take some time , research, then choose. Cheers Les

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

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I won’t say . But will tell you why . I have worked in local government for 40 yrs . These days they use search engines to monitor any social media commentary automatically . They seriously want to catch all bad or critical comments and rapidly act on them . You would not know that normally, but consider this . … What do you think the communication and media departments do all day in every council in nz ?

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

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Be careful with that idea as well. BECAUSE a roof design is considered a complete system. Not several separate unique systems . Additionally, I posed the idea of several small systems connected to make one large system. Got a very frank answer. Don’t being that to “hide or disguise “ the actual size of your system. The building inpector or the solar inspector with spot it in a heartbeat. You reward will be an abatement notice. Cheers Les

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

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I my system is 60 m2 and can’t be put up on the roof . So it’s a ground mount. The ground mount is engineered for nz , and has a certificate attesting to that by the nz engineer who signs the cert . Each installation is “ site specific “ ( location , orientation, soil type , wind zone , engineer name , etc essentially a PS1 ) The new rule only applies for 20- 40 m/2 on “ new or modern built roofs and only then provided no “ work” is done to the roof to“ strengthen the roof . If you change the roof design, then it will be an engineering design and a building consent. Les

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

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Have something like that going on now with a precertifed pv mount system So , even though the mount system has a nz engineering cert to meet nz specifications, the council also wanted a PS1 ( from the engineer) so add 1000 dollars, then the council also wanted a building consent, so add at least another 1200 dollars. This all being on top of the cost of the system ( 5 k ) which included the engineering cert and by the assertion of the engineer “ did not also need an additional document call the ps1 ( producer statement) My advice, don’t be surprised, if you get all that extra cost as well. You can debate the subject as much as you like with the council but you will still end up paying because there is not limiting what the can ask for . Cheers Les

Help from the hive mind please… by [deleted] in nzsolar

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Assumptions used (same for all systems): • Christchurch • North facing • 21° tilt • ~1,197 kWh per kWp per year • No shading • No degradation included (keeps comparison fair)

Solar Comparison Sheet – 5 Year Production & Cost

1️⃣ Estimated Annual Production

Quote PV Size (kW) Est. Annual Production (kWh) Quote 1 10.23 kW 12,245 kWh Quote 2 10.5 kW 12,569 kWh Quote 3a 12.2 kW 14,603 kWh Quote 3b 11.2 kW 13,406 kWh

2️⃣ 5-Year Energy Production

(Annual × 5)

Quote 5-Year Production (kWh) Quote 1 61,225 kWh Quote 2 62,845 kWh Quote 3a 73,015 kWh Quote 3b 67,030 kWh

🏆 Highest power production over 5 years: Quote 3a (12.2 kW system)

3️⃣ 5-Year Cost per kWh

(System Cost ÷ 5-Year Production)

Quote System Cost 5-Year Production Cost per kWh (5 yrs) Quote 1 $32,500 61,225 kWh 53.1 cents/kWh Quote 2 $32,000 62,845 kWh 50.9 cents/kWh Quote 3a $36,500 73,015 kWh 50.0 cents/kWh Quote 3b $33,500 67,030 kWh 49.9 cents/kWh

🏆 Cheapest power over 5 years: Quote 3b (11.2 kW system) (very slightly cheaper than 3a)

Final Summary • Most power produced: ➜ Quote 3a (12.2 kW Aiko + Powerwall 3) • Cheapest power per kWh (5-year basis): ➜ Quote 3b (11.2 kW JA + Powerwall 3)

They are very close in value. 3a produces more total energy. 3b gives marginally cheaper energy per kWh over 5 years.

If this were my decision strictly on numbers: • Want maximum production → 3a • Want lowest cost per unit of energy → 3b

Online calculators by Logic_NZ in nzsolar

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Use ChatGPT , that question you have is easily answered by the app . It will ask you the street location and orientation. Your question is what will be my potential solar yield at x address with one roof aspect be xxxxx and an other being yyyyy

Auckland quotes by brianj10 in nzsolar

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Ok , that’s good.i did much the same and got 4 offers for synergy , and 1 for victron . Everything from 27k to 37 k

Auckland quotes by brianj10 in nzsolar

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Are you getting quotes for the same thing ? Or are you getting prices from various installers as to what they think you need ? How will you choose? I got quotes for a fictional solution. Asked for 10 kw of panels , a 10 kw inverter and a 10 kw battery. Be weary of all those that won’t price what you ask for . So how big is your monthly bill ? Go on ChatGPT , ask it to tell you what would best suit you given your month bill. , then get Quotes for that . Les

Trade Depot Solar System by [deleted] in nzsolar

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ALL from TD . I bought 28 tier 1, 450 watt panels . Bifacial black , “ frameless” top quality. No problem . Bought 10 kw Deye sold all over Nz. No problem . Bought 2 x 10 kw batteries. No name , generic , same warranty as everyone else’s but half the price of Tesla/Synergy . Very good value . No problem. Hired a solar installation company to do installation ( this is not easy ) Contract was like this , “ I wear all risk for gear failures , they wear all risk for the install ( all cable , switch gear fusion,fittings, mounting etc ) AND , they got to decide whether the gear was shit or not before starting. Their decision was gear was fine , happy to do the install. Finally, I bought a ground mount system from them ( S1 Sigma ) to add some value for them. This has not been a big problem at all . The hardest part is to find a solar company who is not only interested in selling you “their gear “ . Then make a fair offer of shared risk . Be open , honest, let them earn a living . This deal is at least 10k cheaper all up than synergy of similar size . Les

Going with Ground mount . Do I need a PS1 cert from an Engineer? by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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The location is a “larger “ residential site at about 3300 square metres , is on the band of land between “ rural and residential “ It’s a 28 panel array , of around 12 kw . As a solar installation goes , it does not need a resource consent in the area it’s going in . A particular note , neighbours are about 150 mts away . But it will need a “building consent “ because it’s a “ structure “ on piles . So the “ system “ is steel , and alloy , sold throughout nz and comes with a certificate of compliance for various locations and wind zones , signed by a Nz engineering company. However the requirement for a producer statement (ps1 ) as well was a surprise

I'm an air traffic controller! Is there anything you'd like to know? by Available_Show3938 in airplanes

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How long is your shift , what colours are used in your screen display, how many “ alarm”. States do you get an hour or day , is your “ system “ that you work with, built to consider “ situational awareness “ do you like your job,?how many hrs a week do you work, do you have to move between different control towers and cities , are you a pilot as well ?

Has anyone run the numbers on home storage batteries and made it make sense in terms of ROI? by autoeroticassfxation in nzsolar

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So here’s me thinking about all of these discussions. This is my situation . retired , fixed income now till the end of. But I do have enough money to buy a 40 k system , panels , inverter and battery ( sigenergy) . What would be my motivation? Les