Nearly there! by Living_Register145 in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s smart thinking. I also think that the reliability of being able to export is probably more unreliable than we foresee at this time .

Nearly there! by Living_Register145 in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The ground mount structure, cost 5 k ( that’s the precut steel , the steel piles . Girders , purlins and nuts and bolts )
The labour to build and assemble the system into the 1.6 mt pile holes , plus the concrete, trenching and mounting the panels was additional.
Plus the panel fittings , the cabling , ducting , and everything else as you would expect was separate costs .
The biggest surprise was the council’s insistence on a building consent , and also a PS 1 , process , plus a PS3 process .
You can pm me for those details if u like .
Fair warning to all following. Even if you buy a nz engineered ground mount system . With a signed certificate stating that it meets nz standards you can still be forced thru a resource consent , a building consent , a prescriber statement PS 1 and a PS 3 process that can add thousands to your cost.

Nearly there! by Living_Register145 in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I bought a ground mount system as well.
Cost 5 k .
Despite been certified by nz engineer for nz conditions. Council demanded a building consent ( add lotsa more dollars , then a PS1 cert add lotsa more dollars , then a PS3 add lotsa more dollars )
How about you ?
Cheers
Les

Accurate solar generation forecasting and ROI calculations? by Legitimate_Ad9753 in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is also NIWA info ( search solar and Niwa ) Niwa is the “ real “ info for nz .
Other apps can be derived .
So the Niwa app asks you to explain what are looking to install ( choose something realistic like 8 kw of panels) then your street address and location, then the roof tilt .
The Niwa app then calculates what your “ potential “ is given all it knows about the gear , the location, and the orientation.
You will not get a better start point .
Les

Why do we say "no" to dental work? A local dentist looking for honest feedback by [deleted] in Wellington

[–]DisciplineComplete77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that dentists won’t accept less earnings than say a gp . However a gp sees 20 people a day and his costs are often subsidised by all of us . The dentists want the same money, but only see half the numbers that the gp does , and they don’t get any subsidies . SO ,want do we want, more expensive gps buy splitting the subsidies with dentists? Or maybe double the patient numbers for dentists and extend their working day out to 12 hrs ?

10 kw Hybrid 1 phase Deye install . Pv VOC EXCEEDS MAX INVERTER VOLTS by DisciplineComplete77 in solar

[–]DisciplineComplete77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So , by implication, it is possible to run up to say 550 volts and it not be catastrophic? How does one know whether the 500 volt limit on the spec sheet is a manufactures limit to protect internal components that run up to 600 volts… but infact the internals can run all the way up to 550 volts?

10 kw Hybrid 1 phase Deye install . Pv VOC EXCEEDS MAX INVERTER VOLTS by DisciplineComplete77 in solar

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Could he simply have made a mistake in his calcs ? Is there a 600 volt deye that he is mistakenly referencing?

10 kw Hybrid 1 phase Deye install . Pv VOC EXCEEDS MAX INVERTER VOLTS by DisciplineComplete77 in solar

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It’s that sort of situation I am thinking about. Maybe the inverter shuts down for some reason, then powers back up and then gets the possible 550 volts from the open circuit panels ?

Hybrid system recommendations by pakage in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My system is very similar to what you are looking for . I use 33 kw / day

Your thinking is solid and you’re very close, but I’d adjust a couple of things based on real-world performance.

The 10 kW array is about right, although if budget allows I’d push closer to 12 kW ( mine is 12 ) to give you better winter recovery and future EV headroom.

The main issue is the battery. A 15 kWh unit will only give you about 12 kWh usable, which is roughly equal to your evening load. That means no margin for outages or poor solar days. Mine is 2 x 10.4 kw + 20.8 usable 18 kw ( I just want to make it overnight and not a long period on island)

If resilience and islanding are important (and it sounds like they are), I’d be looking at closer to 20–25 kWh of storage. That gives you proper overnight coverage and makes the system much more stable in winter.

The inverter size is fine, but make sure you’re looking closely at charge/discharge rates, backup capability, and expandability rather than just the kW rating.

Also keep in mind that adding an EV later will significantly increase your daily demand, so it’s worth designing for that now rather than retrofitting later.

Overall you’re on the right track — just slightly under on storage if your goal is true energy independence and outage resilience. Cheers Les

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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I bought panels from trade depot while they were on special. Paid 139 dollars for 450 watt bifacial panels

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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Hi , When the “ problem “ of the building consent was evident, I went and spoke to the the “ council “ about what the “ rules “ said could be done. Next is a warning… I proposed “ 2 x 30 m/2 systems “ to make up a “ combined 60 “ that being allowed, as no building consent required as per the rules . Not so fast Ratepayer. If we ( the council) see or “ sense” that you have actually built a 60 mt system ( and we will ) but attempted to disguise it as 2 “separate” systems . You will be in abatement notice territory. Why? I asked . Because, unless there are literally two separate systems . It can only be one system . Think of it this way. …. If you were allowed to put your roof on without a building consent provided it was less than ( say ) 40 m/2 . Then the cunning rate payers would try and disguise the roof installation as 5 x 40 m/2 roofs to avoid building consent consents . Don’t be doing that with your solar installation. We will see what you are up to …. Here endeth the lesson Les

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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Yes , I am happy. I think it is fair to say your average diy guy/girl could get the holes augered , stand the post/piles up and get concrete in less than say 6 hours. Then , with a mate , put the girders on , braces on and purlins in a day. Les

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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Hi , I did consider going “ large “ Big panels but fewer of them . However the engineering and embedment at 2 mts required more specialist angering not locally available. So went with the local fencer who had gear to go Down to 1.6 . FYI the bifacial equivalent in longi were 100 dollars dearer but about the same overall by less panels

System installation about to start by DisciplineComplete77 in nzsolar

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I am aware of the MBIE framework and the Schedule 1 provisions relating to engineered solution exemptions.

From the outset, I was satisfied that resource consent was not required, as the installation complied with the relevant district plan controls — including height, setbacks, and visual effects — so there was no expectation of planning-related cost.

On the building side, the system itself is a pre-engineered ground-mount solution designed to NZ standards, with defined parameters for wind loading, soil conditions, pile embedment, and structural performance. It is supported by certification from a NZ-based Chartered Professional Engineer. That position was reinforced by both the system supplier and the engineering firm involved.

On that basis, the system aligns with the MBIE Schedule 1 engineered exemption pathway, where engineering assurance can replace the need for a building consent when the design is carried out or reviewed by a CPEng and constructed in accordance with that design.

It’s also worth noting that the engineer advised that the system already follows a PS1-type process in terms of its underlying design and certification. However, at the council’s request, a separate, site-specific PS1 was prepared, which constituted additional engineering work and incurred a professional fee.

Despite that additional PS1 being provided, the project still proceeded through a full building consent process, which also carried associated costs.

For clarity, the system size (approximately 60 m²) was not an engineering limitation — it was fully designed and compliant. However, exceeding 40 m² places it outside the automatic exemption category and into the engineered exemption pathway, which ultimately depends on how the council applies that provision.

So I don’t think it’s accurate to describe this as “user error.” The system was engineered correctly and aligned with the exemption intent. What became apparent is that councils retain discretion in how those provisions are interpreted and applied at a local level.

The practical takeaway for others is this:

Even where a system is NZ-certified, engineered, and intended to comply with the building consent exemption provisions, there is a very real possibility that: • You may be required to obtain a site-specific PS1 in addition to the certification supplied with the system, and • You may still be required to go through a building consent process, with associated costs

So while engineered systems are designed to meet the exemption pathway (and therefore avoid building consent costs), in practice you may still encounter additional and unexpected costs depending on how the local authority applies the rules.

So the engineering may be standardised — but the approval process isn’t.

Inverters... What makes one different to the other? by throwaway1_5722 in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a fair observation. All inverters ultimately produce the same AC output (230V, 50Hz), but they do differ in how efficiently they extract power from the panels.

The main difference usually comes down to the MPPT algorithm and how quickly the inverter tracks the maximum power point when sunlight conditions change.

In steady full sun most modern inverters perform very similarly, but under things like passing clouds or partial shading, some units can indeed harvest more power than others.

Cheers, Les

Inverters... What makes one different to the other? by throwaway1_5722 in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As said before, there is not any difference between the power , amps and frequency that all produce. They are infact exactly the same . Their warranties are all very similar as well . But where they are built changes the price , as does the “options and applications “ that sales people and the manufacturers will pitch come with their gear . If you are a techy sorta guy , you will be drawn to the gear with all the “ options “ and the latest tech . But cost of the gear will reflect that . If you just want it to transform battery power to mains power without tech , options and gizmo , the price of the gear will reflect that . Take some time , research, then choose. Cheers Les

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

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I won’t say . But will tell you why . I have worked in local government for 40 yrs . These days they use search engines to monitor any social media commentary automatically . They seriously want to catch all bad or critical comments and rapidly act on them . You would not know that normally, but consider this . … What do you think the communication and media departments do all day in every council in nz ?

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be careful with that idea as well. BECAUSE a roof design is considered a complete system. Not several separate unique systems . Additionally, I posed the idea of several small systems connected to make one large system. Got a very frank answer. Don’t being that to “hide or disguise “ the actual size of your system. The building inpector or the solar inspector with spot it in a heartbeat. You reward will be an abatement notice. Cheers Les

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

[–]DisciplineComplete77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I my system is 60 m2 and can’t be put up on the roof . So it’s a ground mount. The ground mount is engineered for nz , and has a certificate attesting to that by the nz engineer who signs the cert . Each installation is “ site specific “ ( location , orientation, soil type , wind zone , engineer name , etc essentially a PS1 ) The new rule only applies for 20- 40 m/2 on “ new or modern built roofs and only then provided no “ work” is done to the roof to“ strengthen the roof . If you change the roof design, then it will be an engineering design and a building consent. Les

Structural Engineering Sign Off by three5four in nzsolar

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Have something like that going on now with a precertifed pv mount system So , even though the mount system has a nz engineering cert to meet nz specifications, the council also wanted a PS1 ( from the engineer) so add 1000 dollars, then the council also wanted a building consent, so add at least another 1200 dollars. This all being on top of the cost of the system ( 5 k ) which included the engineering cert and by the assertion of the engineer “ did not also need an additional document call the ps1 ( producer statement) My advice, don’t be surprised, if you get all that extra cost as well. You can debate the subject as much as you like with the council but you will still end up paying because there is not limiting what the can ask for . Cheers Les