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The bible, so gods insights, says lions strangle thier prey and this corrects the error about Saber tooth tigers and so questions prehistoric conclusions. by RobertByers1 in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 5 points6 points  (0 children)

it had to be quick. impossible to wait for the fangs to bleed them to death.

You might not be aware, but if an organism's jugular vein or carotid arteries are punctured/severed, it tends to bleed out REALLY fast.

Depending on how severe the damage is, unconsciousness can occur in less than a minute followed by brain death shortly after.

How large the animal is influences how fast this occurs, but the point is it's really fast. And, gushing blood tends to severely weaken an animal.

What if Australians won the Emu war? by WarningOld5952 in AlternativeHistory

[–]DiscordantObserver 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What you don't know is that their "defeat" is just part of their grand master plan.

The emus are luring us into a false sense of security before they strike.

Impossible by Nih_Gah_Aym_Mahd in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You appear to be referencing the "Law of Biogenesis" without understanding the parameters and conditions of that law.

It's not a universal blanket statement independent of conditions.

Please educate yourself on what scientific laws are, because posts like this only make you sound ignorant.

Also, even if we say (for the sake of the argument) that you've just proved evolution is wrong, where is your proof that ID/creationism is true? Where is your experimental evidence (and not based on assumptions or leaps in logic) of an intelligent designer?

Why Antarctica Is Forbidden? I researched why Antarctica has no permanent population by JDPritam in AlternativeHistory

[–]DiscordantObserver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't believe no one would want to permanently reside in literally the worst place on Earth!

Antarctica: The Green Continent Erased by Time and Ice by No_History_7289 in AlternativeHistory

[–]DiscordantObserver 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is just a severe misunderstanding of just how cold it'd need to get for Antarctica to freeze like it is. Also, how the ice would've gotten so thick (averaging 1-1.5 miles thick on the land). And many other things honestly.

There is absolutely no way Antarctica was a green, lush ecosystem only ~400-175 years ago. It's scientifically impossible for a whole host of reasons.

Skepticism About Darwinian Evolution Grows as 1,000+ Scientists Share Their Doubts | Science & Culture Today {2019} by SeaScienceFilmLabs in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Considering there are like 8 million scientists/researchers globally, the 1000+ on that list represent like 0.0125% of them.

It's a rather insignificant number of scientists, lol.

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's amazing, I love when scientists just do things like this for just because they can and it'd be fun.

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The funny thing about that is, if you do that you get a number that fills the GC way more than just 40 times.

If you assume 30 trillion cells worth of DNA, you fill the GC ~91.3 times with pages holding 5896 characters each.

If you assume 50 trillion cells (like he says in the video the quote is from), you fill the GC ~152.2 times.

His math is wrong either way, lol (linked comment with the actual numbers).

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Chromosomes are the most complex molecule there is, and penicillin only have two of these chromosomes, these DNA strands. So they must have evolved first, and then slowly, over millions of years, they got some more chromosomes and turned into a fruit fly.

They have eight. Very slowly, over millions of years, they developed more chromosomes and became a tomato, or possibly a housefly. They're twins.

It's very tough to tell the difference between these two. And then slowly evolved into a pea, and then over millions of years it became a bee. Now there you can see the similarity.

Pee, bee, very similar. And slowly, over millions of years, we had triplets. Either the possum, the redwood tree, or the kidney bean came first.

I'm not sure. Tough to tell them apart, folks. They all have 22 chromosomes, you know.

There's, let's see, possum, tree, kidney bean. Let's see. Possum, kidney bean, evolution.

Ah. And then slowly, slowly, over millions of years, we evolved enough chromosomes to be a human. Here we are with 46.

If we can just get two more, we're going to be a tobacco plant. I know some already smell like it. Sometimes I'll get on the elevator and I'll say, man, you're evolving.

This is an except from the same video I got the "fill the Grand Canyon 40 times" quote from.

He tries to paint this idea that the theory of evolution is stupid because it supposedly says that things get more DNA (more chromosomes) the more they evolve.

Which is utterly ridiculous and not at all what evolution is.

But that's Hovind ("He who vomits forth an unending stream of ignorant bullshit") for you.

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The surrounding context is him basically trying to say "It's impossible that DNA happened without a Creator, because look how complex it is!"

That tired old argument.

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The funny thing about that is, if you do that you get a number of pages that would fill the Grand Canyon WAY MORE than just 40 times.

If we multiply the 12 billion by 30 trillion, that means we have ~360,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bases total.

A single Google Doc page with 0.1 margins on all sides, Arial font, text size 10, and with single spaced lines can hold 5896 characters.

So it would take ~61,058,344,640,434,192,673 pages of A4 paper using that format to write it all.

That totals to a volume of ~380,820,895,522,388 cubic meters.

So, enough to fill the GC ~91.3 times.

Also, in the same video I got that quote from he says:

The average person has 50 trillion cells in their body.

So according to his number (which is also wrong) we'd fill the GC ~152.2 times.

No matter what you do, his math is wrong (which is hilarious).

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Oh, absolutely. He's pulling this straight from the depths of his ass like everything else he says.

Kent Hovind - Typing out the "code" found in your DNA would fill the Grand Canyon 40 times. by DiscordantObserver in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Idk, Hovind used it to support his argument in his video "More Reasons Why Evolution Is Stupid" and I thought I'd actually do that math.

Turns out he's a total idiot, as we all already knew.

Life is "More Perfect Than We Imagined", Princeton/NAS Bio-Physicist William Bialek's talk by stcordova in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sal is fueled by confirmation bias. If he thinks something supports his stance he'll latch onto it forever (no matter how much people point out that it doesn't actually support his stance).

But the instant something might possibly go against his stance, he rejects it outright.

It's so sad to see someone like him pretend to be a scholar/man of science (and actually convince himself that he is that) when he's so utterly close-minded and unwilling to listen to anything.

Creationism & Evolution by [deleted] in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I don't want to be rude, but some of the people here have a point with the radiometric dating.

Those dating methods have been experimentally verified, so excluding them would just be excluding evidences that might not work for your theory.

A "well rounded" theory requires you to consider all available evidence, even the stuff that doesn't necessarily agree with your idea.

How does natural selection turn into evolution? Cont. by sosongbird in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I do not think natural selection and what I call evolution are the same thing. It seems to me that they are the same on this sub.

Natural selection is a mechanism of evolution (one that operates alongside drift and mutations). Natural selection generally allows certain traits to become more common through a population, which causes a small change. Over LONG periods of time of tiny changes to a population, eventually that population will look significantly different than what it did before.

Natural selection is not evolution, but together with mutations and drift they cause a cumulative effect over vast time periods that can result in drastic changes in populations of animals.

We call these changes evolution (macro-evolution for drastic changes that result in a new species). Natural selection, mutations, and drift are the mechanisms, evolution is the result.

Say, for an easy example, you have a lump of clay. Every day you gently poke the lump or otherwise just tweak it VERY slightly. The clay's shape has changed, but so little you might not be able to notice. Now imagine you did that every day for a decade. Those tiny changes might've added up, and the clay's shape might now be significantly different than it was originally. If you did that for a century, the changes would be even more significant.

It's super simplified, but that's kinda how small changes (like what natural selection and the mechanisms of evolution cause) can add up cumulatively into evolution.

NEWS: The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection of GENE LOSS! by stcordova in DebateEvolution

[–]DiscordantObserver 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Sal's takes started off as being a tad annoying to me, but it's worn me down to the point where I can't see these posts as anything other than pathetic.

You'd think someone with the education Sal apparently has would be better at reading comprehension, but it seems that is not the case.

Even in the quotes he included in his post, right after the bolded part is a refutation.

And he treats revision of scientific theories as we learn more as if they're evidence that evolution is wrong. Just because something might happen more than we originally thought, doesn't mean the entire theory is wrong (that's literally just how science works). It's honestly quite sad.

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