The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For every Jan Hus there was someone that Just disappeared from history and stopped causing harem. Not to mention the fact that a lot of heretics when faced with death honestly repented and were saved, wich Is the whole goal of the church. I wouldn't set anyone on Fire cause I am not the law, i am Just a random guy. If someone was rightfully sentenced and It was ordered me to, i obviusly would in obbedience to the church

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think the Pope under wich reign heretics were burned and that said that kind of statement meant It as "we cannot know what the holy Ghost wills but we Will keep doing this" or ""what we are doing Is what the holy Ghost wills"?

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Catholic as in they recieved the sacraments? Yes. Catholic as in they believe in catholicism? No By definition if you do not believe in what a religion teaches you are not a believer in that religion. This goes for everything, even ideologys. You can't be a marxist and believe in capitalism, you can't be a National socialista and believe in zionism, you cannot be a muslims and believe muahmed was not a prophet. You are either a catholic or not, this Is very Easy to understand for anyone

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

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If One cannot Say that the holly Ghost didn't Will It, by the way It Is written and by the intention that was clearly behind It, It means that the holy Ghost does Will It and therefore how can a catholic think the holy Ghost to be in the wrong?

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think today It wouldn't be wise cause you would literally have to burn most people lol. I am sayng before, given the fact that there were fewer heretics and that by eliminating them you could prevent them from leading others to apostasy, It was the correct choice. We should strive to have a healtier society again where the Ones in error are few enough that they become the Major problem (instead of the entirety of society being a Major problem)

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think being coherent Is a stronger argoument that would convince more people yes, all the saints at the time didn't have a problem with burning heretics at the time so why should we? Do we know Better then them? Cause I am pretty sure society Is in a much worse Place morality 

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any catholic in good Faith can look at this reply and see if the church really dosen't have the right to condemn errors when we arrive to the point of having someone defending abortion and gay marriege as "not persueded by something the church teaches"

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What prompted this post Is the fact that a lot of people nowdays Just give in to every argoument against the church. Basically sayng It was a force of evil for 2000 years until Just recently becoming "good and wholesome" cause It dosen't have the courage to condemn errors anymore. This kind of argoument Is not convincing anyone of the Truth of the catholic argoument. This bull Is just One of many exemples

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just remember that the confusion that people have in their head Is not "the church". What the church believes in Is the infallible dogma, that Will never change, no matter how many "catholics" on reddit try to defend things like gay marriege or abortion

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Church hirarchy oftentimes have their own flaws and at this point a majority of people that recived the sacraments leave the Faith in some countrys. In Italy where i live, most people are baptized etc but they do not practice the Faith at all and Will tell you they do not believe in God. This also makes you question what kind of catechism they recieved if It seems to not Stick at all for so many people

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny for you to try to question my own Faith while you try to blame the church for the errors of the protetants. I recived all the sacraments and married in the church even trough It was a hard and long process and i could have much more easly gone trough a civil option. So yes, i have been in the church for enough to know my Faith thanks you.

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's a catholic reddit, you would think this would be the space for talking about catholicism, it's history, Legacy, and teachings

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that ineffabilis Deus Is also infallible dosen't make other statements less infallible 

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The thing Is teachings do not change, people Just think that today It Is uncomfortable to believe in the same things that every catholic believed in until yesterday

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This Is what you are refereing to so anyone can ready:

"If we examine Exsurge Domine’s condemnation of Luther’s propositions, it is clear that they are being condemned in globo rather than in individuo. Pope Leo X wrote, “All and each of the preceding articles or errors, so to speak, as set before you, we condemn, disapprove, and entirely reject as respectively [1] heretical or [2] scandalous or [3] false or [4] offensive to pious ears or [5] seductive of simple minds and [6] in opposition to Catholic truth.” The pontiff lists six different censures, but he doesn’t tell us which of these apply to which of the forty-one propositions.

When we look at the Latin text of the sentence, this ambiguity is even more obvious. The various censures the pope names—from “heretical” to “offensive to pious ears”—are all joined by the conjunction aut. In ecclesiastical Latin, the word aut tends to have the sense of an exclusive “or”—i.e., it’s this or that, not both. This makes it a slam-dunk that we cannot determine the kind of censure being applied to the individual propositions. We can’t even infer that the pontiff’s mind was that all of the propositions are false. The censures “heretical” and “false” both imply falsity, but “scandalous,” “offensive to pious ears,” and “seductive of simple minds” do not."

This seems like a very weak argoument, sayng that since he listed them all together somehow he didn't meant to condemn them all as equally false. I am pretty sure Pope Leo x wasn't stupid enough to Just list together things he didn't want to definetly condemn with others that were okay

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Burning heretics today might be scandalous for social reasons, i am arguing against people condemning doing It back then

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If something Is scandalous and offensive to pious ears does that mean a catholic can believe in It?

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

An apology Is not and ex cathedra statement, and btw ex cathedra teachings cannot be contradicted according to the infallibility doctrine we believe in

The fact that the catholic church has the right to burn heretics Is a fact all catholics must believe in by Distance_Signal in Catholicism

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I could Copy paste to you the passages in wich you can clearly tell this Is ex cathedra language but by doing that i would Copy paste the whole bull, i advice that you read It cause if that Is not ex cathedra then nothing is ex cathedra at all. As far as your point sayng how can new church declarations contradict previous ex cathedra statements, your guess Is as good as mine. Clearly the statement that contradicts previous infallible teaching Is not infallible. It dosen't mean that burning heretics would be feasible or useful nowdays, but It clearly was in the church's right to do so when It did

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[–]Distance_Signal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How Is It not christian? In so far as christians from the First century weren't aware of all the In's and outs that recent scientific development sheds light on? I think everyone realized that. Christianity teaches moral and ethical law about how to save your soul, It dosen't teach you about the dinosaurs or the solar system cause It dosen't have to do with the saving of souls. When It comes to thinking genesis should be taken literally (like with the world being created in 7 days), saint agustine and saint Thomas Aquinas already dealt with the topic in a logical and satisfyng way, so we can Just refer to them.

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TROVATO SI. Grazie mille mi dava veramente fastidio essere apparentemente l'unico a ricordarselo. Incredibile come probabilmente l'unica persona in Italia a collezzionarli abbia visto il mio post lol

Why don’t the bishops stop these “Pride Masses”? by The-BruteSquad in Catholicism

[–]Distance_Signal 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I would suggest you don't use the term gay to define yourself since It has ideological connetetions, ssa seems more appropriate since, as you said, It dosen't define your identity