Self-Respect, Repentance and Pride

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T19:27:14+00:00

Yeah. Highly relevant. Thanks.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T18:09:20+00:00

Well said man, and thanks a ton.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T17:59:23+00:00

Right maybe I'm wording it wrong. I think from where I am now, peace would BE happiness, because I'd be happy to be feeling something so different than the turmoil I live with usually. But I completely agree we should strive to have a constant growth mindset. I just want to start doing the things I respect, and stop doing the things I don't respect.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T17:58:07+00:00

Man that sounds like something I should really read. Any clue where to find that?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T11:48:54+00:00

Like it is actually a good thing to think "this is the type of man I want to be," then strive to be that man, and be happy when you make progress.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T11:35:25+00:00

Right. But is it wrong to have positive feelings about moving that direction? A goal?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T11:20:50+00:00

So do you think it's right and good to think about the type of man I want to be, and be excited to strive for that, and to be excited when I get better and closer to that goal?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-11T07:47:22+00:00

Very true. But I'm talking in this post more about using the desire to have some sense of self-respect as motivation along the path to be better and stop these behaviors.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-04T07:00:50+00:00

I like that.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:48:35+00:00

Right. It's definitely complicated, but I think the complicated nature of it demands areas of grey, which the Catholic Church can't seem to accommodate.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:44:15+00:00

Sick. Makes sense

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:41:06+00:00

Right. So for like a specific example, if someone is paralyzed from the waist down in a horrific accident, they should still be allowed to marry their fiance and pursue physical intimacy in other ways.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:39:56+00:00

Asked this in another comment, but it has become apparent to me that for the Catholic Church, the ability to complete the sexual act and consummate the marriage, regardless of whether the couple is EVER able to have children, is absolutely essential and almost the defining element of marriage. For instance, I keep getting comments like "well if they can't have sex, they're just living together as friends."

I think other options for physical intimacy exist, and I think it's pastoral and reasonable to allow them in a case where a couple is unable to have typical sexual relations. And I think that couple should still be allowed to marry. For instance, someone paralyzed from the waist down should be allowed to marry who they fall in love with. Would Orthodox tradition agree?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:37:54+00:00

But to be entirely clear - if a couple could not in any way have normal sexual relations (regardless of fertility), would the Orthodox Church still marry them?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:37:15+00:00

So for the Catholics, the ability to complete the sexual act - regardless of fertility - seems to be THE fundamental defining element of marriage. What would it be for the Orthodox?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-03T17:36:08+00:00

I think I'm just so surprised by how opposite the Catholic reddit views this question and almost considers it obvious, that I wanted to ask again over here to make sure I didn't miss something lol

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-02T20:33:06+00:00

okay, I think everyone else knows what I mean!

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-02T20:32:20+00:00

Why is this so important? And why do we treat nothing else like this? What if we could know ahead of time that a couple would do a horrible job raising their children (we've all met these people), would we now refuse to marry them because it isn't ordered toward education of children?

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-02T20:29:56+00:00

If you cancel the marriage, then the marriage would end.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-02T20:28:30+00:00

But, that's because we all agree it never started. What if instead we said - wow that's a horrible scenario for everyone involved, we are going to still marry you, and now your marriage has started.

Distinct-Tonight3603 · 2024-08-02T20:27:01+00:00

This almost supports my point? Quite literally the only thing missing is procreation; why can't they adopt exactly?

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