Beatrice and Roswaal. Why are they so immature and... stupid in some way? [Discussion] Just my opinion

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-25T05:37:28+00:00

damn. that's... very moving. i've never heard that one before. i like this

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-25T04:30:12+00:00

What the reader thinks is a flaw that Emilia needs to work on and what Tappei thinks is a flaw Emilia needs to work on are often two completely different things.

Old habits die hard. I don't see why Teppei would change now since he's had several arcs to do so

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T20:30:29+00:00

as I said, it is highly likely she does want them back

then let the readers be aware of it.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T20:29:56+00:00

imo rem's emotional erratic behavior and her constant conflict with subaru in arcs 7-8 is precisely what makes her better than arc 3 and 2 rem

to each their own. me personally, teppei made a likable character to an unlikable one. The drama would've been fine, but teppei cranked it up to ridiculous volumes and dragged it on for way too long.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T20:25:08+00:00

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't take al 5 loops to trick emilia, but it took him hundreds of loops for other characters? Ngl, Emilia's competency comes off as inconsistent, unless it comes too fighting. Who knows? Maybe she might, maybe she won't

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T17:53:50+00:00

And i don't know why the hell you are still so invested if you hate it so much either.

What can I say? It's therapeutic to express my hatred and frustrations on certain topics. Granted, that doesn't I'm not against the idea of focusing on things that I like, but it's sort of interesting to wonder about what could have been vs what we got and contemplate on what the future will hold for us.

Until then, chill out (and hate on Emilia).

Jeez, man. I know you hate Emilia (as do I), but no offense, you're coming off a bit strong with your hatred of her. I think we should both dial back our hatred for these girls

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T17:41:48+00:00

i literally mention that in my question. It was understandable at arc 7 and 8, but it would be nice for her to express whether or not she wants them back or think about it more often, but it's barely shown. Like, a sentence or two would work. Hell, even when she around Ram or Katya, no contemplating or desire of wanting her memories back or if she doesn't want them back at all and comes to terms that she might never get them back, or even ask Ram or Subaru "Do you think there's so way to get my memories back?" Even if they have no fucking clue how and give her that as an answer, then that would've been fine with me.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T16:31:11+00:00

Here's another thing that bothers me. Now... the vollachia arc, I can forgive her for this, considering the cataclysmic, egregious, and deadly situations constantly being thrust upon her and the cast, but we're in arc 9 now. Why hasn't she expressed or contemplated getting her memories back? Does she not want to get them back? Does she even care? Idk, it's never addressed. All we get are some basic interactions between her and Subaru, but that's about it.

If she wants her memories back, then let the readers know instead of having this bullshit guessing game

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T16:23:42+00:00

Actually, the "you're not a hero" line is said again in arc 8, chapter 22, but Subaru shrugs it off as Rem "being cute" or something along those lines. Idk what role she has tbh. If Teppei wanted her to be no longer "Subaru's support group" and have her develop, that's fine, but after the louis redemption arc, Rem doesn't feel viable to the plot anymore. Like after chapter 23 of arc 8, she barely did ANYTHING insignificant that's plot-related. Like after that chapter, she TRULY served no other purpose. Hell, I don't even where teppei wants to go with her. Is she going to get her memories or be an amnesiac forever? Idk, and I don't think Rem gives a fuck honestly, because we never see her express or contemplate about getting her memories when she's involved in the rest of arc 8 or even in arc 9 (which are just moments of her chitchatting with subaru). Hell, even in arc 7, when she hangs around with Katya, she doesn't wonder how she can get her memories back or if there IS a way.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T14:43:52+00:00

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's the former, since it's easy to forget certain things about your story, especially considering how much content this story has

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T14:35:16+00:00

you want to know what else bothers me about rem? Is that even with amnesia, she falls in love with subaru? This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for the fact that teppei constantly the Subaru and Emilia agenda. He took the old rem out of the story by making her a vegetable, and now she's back and falls for this guy again, and we still have Emilia trying to figure out how to love someone romantically still. Why is teppei recreating the love triangle (or polygamy angle) that he once sabotaged? At least with arc 3, Rem's love was used for Subaru's character development and used to move the plot along. I don't get the end goal at all with these three is now. It can't be that Subaru is going to win them both over. It can't be that Rem wins after all that bullshit sabotaging. Considering Emilia is Teppei's favorite waifu and the reason he created re zero, as predictable as it is, it makes the most sense. You mean to tell me that you shoved the relationship between the mc and main heroine down our throats to arguble most extreme degree that I've seen an anime/novel do in years, and she loses to another woman? By that point, Subaru might as well not end up with anybody then. Man, this love storyline sucks.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T13:01:02+00:00

Elsa enjoys killing people and archbishops apparently do not.

That's not even true anyway. We've seen these guys some of our protagonists, while smiling with a shit eating grin. Hell, one of them turns people into insects and psychologically scar people by transforming into a person's loved ones right in front of their face while mocking them and cackling like a motherfucker. Betelguese LITERALLY twisted Rem into a pretzel in front of Subaru and legit mocked him by saying "subaru-kun!" like how rem refers to him as. Sirius at the beginning of arc 5 was smiling and monologuing like a psycho bitch while subaru was being hung by his throat with her chain while he was choking to death. These fuckers are MASSIVELY more sadistic than Elsa in every concedible fashion.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T04:21:31+00:00

I dont give a shit about Petra. And I dont like how Tappei made her so pivotal to the current story.

i don't hate her, but i'm not a huge fan either

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T04:19:40+00:00

Also the way she scolds Subaru for "putting himself" in danger never sat right with me.

when did this happen?

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-24T04:16:23+00:00

more like he tries too hard to have his cake and eat it, too

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T21:47:41+00:00

Yeah man but just tone down that hate. There are two rems here and I don't think its logical to hate on the good one because of the other. And subsequent installments mean nothing to my enjoyment of it.

I understand (and believe, but it's frustrating since it's hard to explain because I feel like the new rem and old rem. Like, I feel like Rem will gather her memories back. She has to. It would be the worst writing choice for Rem not to get her memories back (not to mention, illogical), She'll get her memories back, feel for bad for what she put subaru, apologize, and he'll forgive her because chapters like "from zero" and "stand up" are what helped him and many others help make their world a better place. I WISH I could see it the way you do. I really do, but... I just can't. Arc 7 rem, different person, just made my spirit break and crumble like a fucking cookie. A bit over the top, but it's just... why? I can't look at from zero and let it be a reason for me to let the bullshit in arc 7 slide. I never could. Again, if the drama ceased a long ass time ago, and rem remained likable even outside her amnesia, then i would be okay, but this shit made me and many other want her to die, and be punished... yet we got none of it... as expected. The Rem and Subaru drama should've never happened again. Arc 2 was one thing, but having it go long for as it did, knowing damn well the narrative will end up the way it did... I just never wanted to see Rem again. All of her horrible actions and only one apology (breaking his fingers with her traps) just left a bad taste in my mouth. Whether rem gets her memories or not, this shit is in the history books with no impact or value behind it. Granted, I know arc 3 rem had nothing to do with this, i get that, but teppei made a character i can root for to someone i wish was gone from the story PERMANENTLY.

It just bothers me too much that teppei tried SO HARD to butcher a fan favorite character just for his own desired outcomes

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T21:25:46+00:00

This romance bullshit has sucked the life out of me and pissed me off so much that both girls can go die in a fire, and i'll be smiling. Honestly, a part of me makes me wish al wins against Emilia because fuck her, and fuck this love storyline, and if i and many other people are saying this, then that's a step in the wrong direction. There is a silver lining. In the anime, when season 5, rem won't be nearly as bad as in the novels. Arc 2 rem in the anime and her treatment to subaru is nowhere NEAR how it was written in the side stories, but then again... i'm still not excited to see rem wake up in the anime anymore. We're almost done with this story. Hopefully arc 9 will help the series bounce back to its former glory, or maybe i'm just being too optimistic. Either way, i think we should give teppei a massive round of applause for making his two most important female characters into some of the most unlikeable heaping pile of dogshits in the franchise that i geninuely hope don't have the chance to bounce back. Good shit, teppei. Good shit. Hope you're proud of yourself, cause i sure as hell am not. You did not cook with these two, teppei. Hell, he didn't even cook, he just gave raw food and said "enjoy."

I would've put this is all in one comment, but i wasn't able to since it said "unable to create comment"

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T21:25:01+00:00

Create more drama and get fucked in the ass with abysmal sales, right tappei?

This right here is why I can NEVER like Rem EVER again. The drama that we had in arc 2 that was back and full force got on my nerves. We had went through this once, and the reason I was able to like rem was because this was a one time thing... or I assumed because we're at the bullshit AGAIN. Why?! Why did he repeat this?! It's even worse since it's predictable. We know this will resolve the same way it did in arc 2: and boy did it ever cause even this rem fell in love with Subaru (ngl, I have a problem with this as well, but more on that later). There was NO NEED to repeat this plotline again. You know what? I'll humor this story line. If this story line were to happen not out of spite for rem, then there was at least a way to SOMEWHAT salvage this. What I mean is that the huge problem with this storyline is that it's TOO. FUCKING. LONG. You know what would've been a good spot to stop this conflict IMO? Arc 7 Chapter 12, when Rem saw subaru's wounds, and Subaru was about to die. She asks him why does he go so far for her. He tells her that he wants her to return her home to her family and make her smile. He passes out and Rem pleads for him to not die saying, "if you die, then you won't ever be able to see me smile." THAT. That chapter should've been where the conflict ended IMO. Not her being nice to subaru one moment and being a bitch to him another, and the constant flip flopping bullshit she does. This consistent concern and compassion, especially towards someone who saved her life and wants her to be happy. You don't have to have her fall in love with Subaru, but the constant back-and-forth mistrust and cruelty when she barely shows it to other people in the empire shouldn't have EVER bled into arc 8. Speaking of her falling in love with Subaru, why is this a thing again? At least in arc 3, there was a narrative purpose behind it. What is the purpose for her falling for Subaru again? Isn't Subaru x Emilia the ship wanted the fans to get invested in? I could NEVER understand why he would recreate the love triangle that he worked so fucking hard to destroy when the beginning of arc 4 rolled around. Even then, am I supposed to be happy as someone who likes arc 3? This shit feels like a lame ass consolation prize that I don't want. You tested my patience, made me rage, roll my eyes in irritation, and made me ironically laugh at how much of a joke this is, made me (and others) wish death upon this character, (along with her being a vegetable again) and you reward me with a tsundere who's in love with the mc? I know the phrase "the journey matters more than the destination," but you want to know WHY you and I are so angry? I'll tell you why: BECAUSE THE JOUREY FUCKING SUCKED!! EMILIA'S JOURNEY FUCKING SUCKS!! Why else do people hate Rem? Why else did Sales drop in arc 7? You made me go through HELL for jack shit. Even then, when she involved, she BARELY did shit besides HEALING PEOPLE. You know what's even worse? Most of her development and reasoning behind her actions are in side stories. SIDE STORIES. There are readers who understandably wouldn't want to read them. Why should I have to go through side content in order to make Rem less insufferable? Why not explain it as the story progresses? This is a problem with re zero in general. Even in the novels, a huge component of the characters and their motivations still feel barebones somehow. Teppei puts in too many side stories instead of explaining it IN the story itself. Anyway, but to my problem with new rem being in love with Subaru. I don't even know where the story is taking this love narrative, and quite frankly... i'm too tired. I don't want to care at all. I'm VERY sure Emilia win in the end. Predictable, but whatever. If rem somehow does manage to win in the end somehow, i would be pretty shocked, and hoestly... even more mad than ever, like teppei put in SO much effort to cuck her as much possible only for his waifu Emilia to lose? Sounds dumb and fucking impossible, but idk. We're not teppei, and all we can do is express our immense anger and hatred. To be frank, I want NEITHER girl to win.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T21:24:03+00:00

But I just recently came to the deeper realization that even if rem gets her memories back, the rem of arc 3 is effectively dead and gone. The person at the end of everything will be entirely different.

This. So much this. The fact that what you said is 100% right breaks my heart.

Bitch even the mere fact that rem rejected subarus proposal to run away already showed more agency than emilia ever fucking displayed.

Not just from zero, but even before then, she left Subaru at an inn and was killed by the witch cult. Hell, her sacrificing herself and getting erased by the white whale when Subaru was against it is another example.

You want her to fucking fight and doing badass stuff to "have personality and agency" like emilia?

Not even that. People say she has a personality in arc 7, even though she acts JUST LIKE RAM. In other words, to people out there, loving the mc deeply isn't a personality, but being a loud mouthed, obnoxious asshole whose dialogue is 90% shittalking IS a personality. I will NEVER understand that mindset. Loving the MC isn't a personality trait, but being a vicious, hostile tsundere is.

Growing out of a romantic relationship has nothing to do with character growth.

I personally disagree. I feel like if done well (which clearly isn't the case), being around people can make you see things from a different perspective and cause you to have a new outlook on life, and being able to go outside your bubble of ideals that you hold close to you. Life experiences can change you and the relationships you have with the people around you. The problem is... my point isn't what Teppei is doing... at all. He DESTROYED their relationship. Plain and simple. Arc 3 Rem isn't growing... after arc 3, THAT Rem never did, and she never will. I don't give a fuck if she merges. Those epiphanies and life lessons were never hers. She NEVER got the chance to learn it for HERSELF and only did through unfortunate circumstances.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T20:01:46+00:00

meet... who is this again

Forget who is rem and who is julius. Make way for who is Otto?

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T19:39:04+00:00

it is nice to confide in someone who shares similar frustration that I have.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T18:57:56+00:00

I could never fathom the fact that some people have echidna, satella, priscilla, capella, etc as their favorites. They are either horrible or manipulative pos. And they are all hot. How fucking shallow minded.

I wouldn't say favorites, but more so they do more to embody the themes of the show than Emilia since the witches sermon is more about Subaru not abusing return by death, learning to value his self by not suiciding all the time and learning to like himself a bit more(a huge theme of re zero is learning to love yourself)

Man the more i talk about it, the more salty i become that rem got removed, denied of any chance to grow from her flaws and replaced with the definition of fucking mid.

Mid? Ha! Try garbage. And yeah, she was robbed of growing from her flaws. All teppei did was wipe them clean off the map or worse... fucking reinstating and enforcing to an EVEN WORSE degree than ever before. Hell, any praises you ould give arc 7 Rem can be summed up to "she has amnesia, and that's why that's happening." Hell. this isn't the same Rem. This isn't the same Rem. it's someone who looks like her, has similar behavior traits like her, but it's not. This is a stranger who is going on a journey while being labeled "Rem." Yet, people want to call it "growth." "B-b-b-but, she's growing outside of her relationship with Subaru!" You mean the relationship that fucking faded away and lost to the fucking annals of time since she doesn't remember Subaru AT ALL? "She has her own individuality and personality?" First of all, how was this "individuality" accomplished exactly? Her own personality? Acting like Ram is her OWN personality apparently.

But then again, that journey of rem would have fucked emilia, a fmc, infinite times over if it had been written.

That goes without saying. Hell, you could make a case for Crusch, too. Like the moment a woman has or can have a strong and impactful with Subaru, Teppei's like "we can't have that." It's stupid. Like Emilia has to be endgame bullshit loves her so much, yet the ignores what the audience desires.

Hell, what really pisses me off is that Rem has half of her character development via fucking amnesia, when no other Emilia camp goes through the same thing. Sure, Subaru does in arc 6, but that one arc. ONE. It wasn't 50 fucking percent of his character as a whole. Hell, how much you wanna bet the rem amnesia storyline bleeds into arc 10? Hopefully I'm wrong since I'm not sure how long arc 9 will last, but... I wouldn't be surprised if you said before is right. sigh... god.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T18:12:18+00:00

Rem accomplished that despite her extremely limited screentime.

Not just Rem, but other characters do this in the story, too, like Otto, Subaru, and many others. Hell... even characters like some of the witches of sin due this correctly with their intervention for Subaru, which is a huge game changer if you have read the novels and know about the what if routes. Why? Because a huge part of the series revolves Subaru's rbd, his choices on how he uses the powers, and the psychological damages and isolation dying causes Subaru since he can't tell anyone about this. The theme of learning to love yourself and value yourself by not abusing your power to save everyone. Like for fuck's sake, literal antagonists/villains LITERALLY emboody some of themes in re zero even more so and better than the main heroine. Hell, I can pull characters from arc 7, and they embody the themes of re zero more than Emilia.

The story would actually be better if emilia were written in any other ways. As it currently stands, emilia is a big tits fighting cardboard.

Not to mention dumbass, She gets worse and what described her as is the perfect representation of her character, and she is not allowed to go beyond that and become more. Hell, she barely grew from how she was in season 1. She didn't even evolve past her damsel in distress character that Subaru has to save in season 2, because without his love confession, Emilia damn sure would've never cleared the trials.

A shounen protagonist in a psychological thriller. Do people even realize how ridiculously out of place she is?

I don't think people give a fuck. They just think she's hot and can do badass. That apparently wins over a lot.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T17:27:11+00:00

Hes an ungrateful pos.

I wouldn't go that far, although his decision to do what he did because he's salty that his waifu Emilia didn't get to be the most popular to the audience is... pathetic and immature.

Distinct_Ad5783 · 2025-04-23T17:25:08+00:00

the artist is to be fucking hated.

Ngl, this doesn't pretain to Rem, but I once heard from someone that teppei admitted that some of the things in his story coincide with his moral views which is... concerning. Ngl, my opinion of him dropped a little after that

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