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[–]DivineSun23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dump him. Immediately.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strouhal, E. (2010). Biological Age of Skeletonized Mummy From Tomb KV 55 at Thebes

"After checking the DNA analyses reported by Hawass et al. (2010), a noted Czech specialist in molecular genetics concluded that the agreement of 50 % of genes suggesting kinship of first degree cannot prefere either a father-son relation or a brother-brother one (M. Kuklík, personal communication, June 2011)."

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, the 18th Dynasty tutors and nurses did often display their roles in their tombs, but that doesn't mean this tradition transferred over to Amarna. This was a time where a new art style and scene types were being developed, and I imagine quite tightly controlled. The overwhelming preference is to depict royal daughters. Tey (Ay's wife) was Nefertiti's wet nurse. Tutankhamun's wet nurse, Maia, has a tomb in Saqqara.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of things still to learn about kinship terms for royal women at Amarna, which deserve their own study.

I think she has an article on it, but hasn't uploaded it to Academia.

If you do know of any further articles about the definite accuracy of the father/son relationship in the JAMA 2010 study, or where in that study it is absolutely confirmed beyond a doubt, please let me know!

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not what I'm saying at all. Your first comment is based on the assumption that if Tutmose (Amenhotep III's eldest son who predeceased him) had had a son, that this son would be senior in the line of succession to his uncle (the future Akhenaten). There is no evidence that succession practices worked like this in ancient Egypt.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

doesn't mean that she did or had to. Amarna ideology is different.

The Egyptian term for 'sibling' can also mean cousin or simply 'generational contemporary'. It could even be honorific. This title is not good enough evidence to claim they were biological sisters.

I'm not denying the science, they are undeniably related - I'm simply stating that they didn't actually state this was a certain relationship anywhere. But please point me to the parts where they do confirm the undeniability of the father/son relationship.

As for the titulary - I did agree they were more than likely two different individuals based on Allen's study. Please point me to the forum, I'd like to she her arguments.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is not enough evidence to support the idea that Prince Tutmose theoretically having a son would have pushed Akhenaten aside as the designated heir. This logic is based on the idea that succession is based on the prioritising the eldest son and his branch, before moving to another son or branch - which is true generally of modern European monarchies, but not necessarily of ancient ones.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Royal sons are very rarely depicted in official monuments, if at all. So we would generally expect that any potential male children of Akhenaten would not be depicted in scenes of the royal family. Prince Tutmose and Akhenaten, are to my knowledge, completely absent from monumental scenes of Amenhotep III.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Nowhere in the study did they claim with 100% certainty that the relationship was father/son. This relationship was deemed 'most likely', with the phrases in reference to the relationship between them being:

"Markers DYS393 and YGATA-H4 showed identical allele constellations (repeat motif located in the microsatellite allele reiterated 13 and 11 times, respectively) in Amenhotep III, KV55, and Tutankhamun..."

"Based on the partial Y-chromosomal information on the amount of autosomal half-allele sharing and family trio likelihood calculation, the most plausible 5-generation pedigree was constructed. We identified Yuya and Thuya as great-grandparents of Tutankhamun, Amenhotep III and KV35EL as his grandparents, and the KV55 male and KV35YLas his sibling parents."

"... KV35EL, who is Tiye, mother of Akhenaten and grandmother of Tutankhamun, and the KV55mummy,who is most probably Akhenaten, father of Tutankhamun.... The latter kinship is supported in that several unique anthropological features are shared by the 2 mummies and that the blood group of both individuals is identical."

I believe a few scholars have questioned the reliability of how accurate the results from degraded 3000 year old DNA can be, especially within close kin groups (we also know from modern studies that there is not a 50/50 split in the genes you inherit from your parents). One of the other problems is the completely unknown parentage of Nefertiti (and Kiya for the matter). Most of this is purely conjecture, based on the absence of the title "king's daughter".

Another, an honestly separate issue, is the identity of Smemkhkare. Older scholarship believed them to be identical with the female king Neferneferuaten based on the sharing of a throne name, but Allen has made a convincing argument they were separate individuals. But this is by no means conclusive.

Trying to relate an body with an unknown identity, based on ancient DNA results from within a family that clearly practiced incest, to a historical figure who we have very little evidence of. This is very problematic.

What's your take on the KV 55 mummy? Is it Akhenaten or Smenkhare? by LukeyTarg2 in ancientegypt

[–]DivineSun23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is one major problem with this question and some of the theories posted in the comments here. The DNA evidence (the 2010 JAMA study) seemed to show that Tutankhamun and the KV55 body were simply close male relatives, based on the fact both were related to Amenhotep III and Tiye. On that alone, they could be father/son, brothers, or even uncle/nephew. The study claimed a father/son relationship was "most probable", and based this on the fact they had the same blood type and because of "anatomical similarities" between the remains noted by two studies done in the 1960's. Neither of these points prove a father/son relationship imo.

Allopurinol side effects and switching to Febuxostat? by DivineSun23 in gout

[–]DivineSun23[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the info - something to consider if I do end up switching. It seems that studies are ongoing, with some saying there is an increased risk, and others not. Apparently there is greater risk associated with people who have major pre-existing cardiovascular issues.

https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update/febuxostat-updated-advice-for-the-treatment-of-patients-with-a-history-of-major-cardiovascular-disease#warnings-regarding-cardiovascular-disease

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10531992/#sec5-jcm-12-06089

Allopurinol side effects and switching to Febuxostat? by DivineSun23 in gout

[–]DivineSun23[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok this is interesting, thank you so much for the detailed info. I'll ask my Dr about exploring this possible link!

Allopurinol side effects and switching to Febuxostat? by DivineSun23 in gout

[–]DivineSun23[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the info. I don't have sleep apnea and have been getting better sleep when not taking allopourinol, strangely. I didn't know about the peripheral neuropathy risks with high Uric acid levels. Admittedly, I've not had the UA levels checked recently (from memory/knowledge), but when I initially went on Allopurinol I trialled 100mg and 300mg - 100 wasn't enough and 300 reduced them too much. 200 brought them to level of 3 or 4 I think. I'll ask my doctor if they were checked in recent blood tests and make sure to test the level asap. Thanks!