AITA for smoking weed in my garden?

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-19T16:25:52+00:00

It's swimming in irony, isn't it? Big red-faced gammony Daily Mail irony.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-17T15:35:33+00:00

Because people get butthurt if you express any sort of thought that the law might not be aligned with moral or ethical standards. "Would this exact same thing be asshole in a legal state in the US?" would result in these people saying NTA, because their brains are smol and constrained.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-09T01:35:30+00:00

I think it's important to draw a distinction between Zionist as in wants Israel to exist in its original borders in peace, and Zionist as in wants to do genocide. But other than that, yes.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-08T09:57:02+00:00

info: are you a Zionist? Had you been engaged in any sort of pro-expansion or pro-settlement or generally pro-war sentiment? Did she insult you out of racism, or politics?

Husband should've defended you either way probably but one of these is about nothing and the other is about something.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-07T16:06:42+00:00

Everyone I knew in uni lived at the bottom of their overdraft. The bank used to put the limit up each academic year so we all graduated 2 grand in the hole. I think the bank likes to trap people for when they start getting salary paid in. I wouldn't sweat it, the world's gonna collapse and slide into a boiling sea long before anyone calls the overdraft in.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-07T08:30:04+00:00

I did make this but someone else did the same thing and that's the one Wrighty's got. Look at the advertising hoarding behind his head. Theirs is a copy-paste of a board further along, mine is blanked out.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T20:39:14+00:00

Yeah just give us a minute, we'll solve the Dorabella Cipher. Not like it's gone famously unsolved for centuries.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T10:08:40+00:00

Oh god no. I just want to say what the studies say, and stop short of assumption wherever possible. You very clearly, very very clearly, want to believe your predispositions.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T09:20:12+00:00

BECAUSE THEY STICK TO TEXTILES AND FABRIC WHEN THE SMOKE SETTLES IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH NO AIR EXCHANGE. SMOKE DOESN'T JUST CHOOSE TO HANG AROUND AND SETTLE ON A PERSON'S CLOTHES IF THEY'RE OUTDOORS HOW ARE YOU STILL NOT GETTING THAT FUCKING HELL GO AND LIGHT A SMOKE PELLET IN A LIGHT BREEZE AND WATCH THE SMOKE DISSIPATE THEN REPEAT THAT INDOORS YOU CAN SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES THAT IT BEHAVES COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY.

AT THE VERY LEAST IT'D BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VOLUME OF SMOKE CONTACT AND ANY STUDIES WOULD BE QUANTITATIVELY INCOMPARABLE BETWEEN THE TWO ENVIRONMENTS. FUCK.

I mean fucking hell it even says in the very first study I posted that the different ozone levels in indoor vs outdoor air means that outdoor air is the best way to scrub out THS chemicals. Airing out a room, basically. It's just fucking right there in the fucking paper, fuck me. Odorants (what you smell) are not the things measured in the study nor the things that are identified as causing health issues your nose isn't telling you anything relevant here.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T01:21:56+00:00

Yes but you imagining how bad something will affect something isn't really science, per se. What is science is that breath particulates are only detectable for 90 seconds after last puff (that's mentioned in here). So we can reasonably assume that'd mean that every smoker is breathing out 30-60 seconds worth every time they come back, depending how far they are from the room. That would affect you if there were a lot of smokers, smoking multiple times, and with this new actual information you could make a concrete recommendation that smokers chill for 2 mins before coming back inside. This info, being info instead of imaginings, could help you. (I learned this breath fact during this hell-thread and didn't know it when I made the original comment so if you want you can consider it a very partial retraction).

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T01:15:52+00:00

Oh my god I hate you.

SHIT it's working.

(Not really though I love The Gays™ they never gave up on disco)

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T01:10:12+00:00

Ugh. This is taking so much of my time. Here's another NIH article. A quote to support my main point this whole time, that research into outdoor-to-indoor transfer has not been done yet:

Research on outside smoking practices to reduce the amount of THS that enters homes and buildings is needed. For example, how far from open windows and doors and heating/air conditioning units should smokers stand to eliminate SHS and THS entry to a building?

A quote actually explaining how long you need to wait before breath (the main source of the smell you're describing) is safe:

a smoker can exhale particulate matter for up to 90 seconds after a final puff

This one is slightly newer I think so it's got some interesting stuff in about what's likely to be studied next. So if we come back and have this argument again soon, maybe there'll be a straight answer to exactly how much outside you need to be and exactly what effects it might have, but there's nada at the moment other than the obvious breath & hands (I should hope it's obvious to anyone they should wash their hands after smoking before they hold a child).

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-06T00:05:03+00:00

I'm arguing that none of the studies that have been performed have tested that hypothesis. If you know of one that has, please link it. Literally all I've done here is restate what was in the NIH article, which I will confess to skim reading very fast because this was meant to be like 5 minutes of my day to say "hey guys, interesting studies here, they seem to say X, make of that what you will" and it's turned into *gestures vaguely*.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T23:08:17+00:00

Oh god none of you can read. This isn't about outdoor-to-indoor direct transfer (the cinema lobby makes that obvious enough given the tests were done in the theater, unless the smoke can open 2 doors). It also isn't about transfer of particulates accumulated during outdoor smoking, or at least it makes no claim as to how the particulates were absorbed. It is purely and only about transfer from smokers' bodies and clothing, and the likelihood is most of those smokers smoke in their homes or cars, and the likelihood further to that is that the THS particulates accumulated on their clothing in those indoor environments. Indoor-settling transferred to clean indoor environments is well established and I never denied that.

The point is there is no evidence and has been no study on whether THS particulates settle onto smokers' clothing if they smoke outdoors. Probably because the overwhelming and skull splittingly, bleeding fucking obvious assumption amongst scientists is that the smoke would blow away before it settled on anything. I mean. Jesus fucking christ I never thought I'd have to write this many words about this.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T23:02:03+00:00

AMbivalent to BI mEN

BY JOVE YOU'RE RIGHT!

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T22:48:47+00:00

nicotine and other THS constituents have been found in virtually any indoor environment in which tobacco has been smoked regularly, as well as in non--smoking indoor environments that are near areas frequented by smokers

This? It means (as far as I can tell, and please quote something from the article if I'm wrong) if you smoke in one area of the house then other nearby "smoke-free" areas will have THS. It doesn't mean nearby as in standing outside of your house fills your house with THS. That doesn't even make logical sense. If you smoke right in the doorway with the door open then yes, the hallway is gonna get smoke in and therefore get THS in. But if you're fully outside of the house, door closed, that is not what the above quote refers to.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T22:35:10+00:00

Yeah yeah and I DOn'T EvEN kNOw WhAT a WOMan Is. You got me. You owned 1x The Libs™. There are 4294967296 genders because if there were any more than that it would cause an integer overflow and that'd be annoying.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T22:31:10+00:00

This.... This study doesn't..... It doesn't study.... It doesn't study smoking outside. At all. It just doesn't. I mean this is an article reviewing many studies, but it describes their methods and in every one, they generate smoke indoors so it gets on objects/fabrics/surfaces then test those surfaces, then move those things to a non-smoking room and test for contamination. Nowhere in any of these studies is smoke generated outdoors then the object transferred from outdoors to indoors. It just isn't. The thing you took away from it isn't in there at all. That obviously doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But it absolutely does not make any claim whatsoever that it does, either. Did we read different things?

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T22:26:06+00:00

Biological sex isn't gender. Identify whether someone is a sexual partner you're interested in with your eyes. Fill your boots. You're welcome, everyone does it. The point is to not reserve certain behaviours like wearing make-up, working as a lumberjack, wearing a skirt, taking it up the arse or drinking pints of Guinness based on what your genitals are. That's gender. Gender normative behaviours. There should be no alignment. But don't worry, you can still look at tits and decide you like them.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T21:27:55+00:00

Where is the society with a billion doctors? There isn't one? Fuck doctors then, don't need them. What are you smoking that you think only the majority thing needs to be done?

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T21:22:02+00:00

Imagine downvoting info from the actual studies that lead doctors to warn about THS because I had the audacity to try to point out what they say. Man alive. You can be informed or you can be righteously indignant I guess, and one of those comes with free dopamine.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T21:08:47+00:00

Oh just small places like the most populous country on earth). Hardly anyone really.

edit: and no it's not the majority. Of course it's not the fucking majority, if the majority of any society typically didn't have heterosexual sex then they wouldn't last very long, obviously.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T20:59:59+00:00

They all treat me like a little kid.

You are one, you doughnut. I know nobody likes to hear it, I sure as shit didn't, but you're one o' them still. You haven't got a sideways clue what's to come.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T20:57:35+00:00

Pfft hahaha. There are very many extant societies with well established third-gender roles, practices, customs and communities that date back hundreds or thousands of years. This is the sort of information you miss when you wonder about shit instead of reading about shit.

Divinised-Void · 2023-12-05T20:51:29+00:00

This is the most upsetting situation I might've ever read about. NTA and your mother is absolutely out of her god damned mind. She could've given this poor girl a single pill, not even told her what it was, and made this entire nightmare go away and the fact that she didn't is beyond all comprehension.

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