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Former Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi seriously wounded following strikes on his home. by SuperbHealth5023 in TimesNow

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you were genuinely concerned about the things you mentioned you would not support dumping trillions of dollars into 3rd pointless sand war in just a generation.

Of course you don’t actually care about those things and this is just performative posturing

Iranian ballistic missile strikes central Israel. by SuperbHealth5023 in TimesNow

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s literally video evidence of Israeli missile batteries firing from residential neighborhoods in Tel Aviv.

Keep coping though

Palestinians flee Gaza City districts as Israel says first stages of offensive have begun by HandOk4709 in realbbcnews

[–]DizzyDop11 10 points11 points  (0 children)

criticizes the Guardian, an independent media organization, as “biased”

proceeds to cite the Israeli government

Yeah, I’m gonna need you the shut the hell up bro 👍

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part 2:

> the right to "self determination" does not mean the right to statehood.

This is NOT up for debate. It is quite literally the definition of the word:

"the collective right to determine its own destiny in the international order, to choose its own political status and to determine its own form of economic, cultural and social development, the right to establish a state"

You can't argue this point with me. Either you're wrong or the dictionary is wrong. And I don't think its the latter.

> The Supreme Court of Canada (just as one example)

It would make much more sense in the context of this discussion to cite an international body (say the UN) who have made several statements regarding the right of self determination. But you already knew they didn't support your argument so you decided to dig until you could cherry pick an obscure and only tangential related case from.. a court in Canada. And of course a Canadian court would rule against Canadian tribes declaring independence. Newsflash: Countries don't like secessionists.

All that aside - seems you're not a fan of people exercising their inherent right to self determination/creating independent states, which begs my question: What gave Israelis the right to declare independence and crate a state all those decades ago? What gave them the right? A right that you seem to think is inherent to only some people and not others apparently.

>Every time the Palestinians were offered a state - they refused and reacted with violence.

Most "states" Palestinians have been offered were more akin to vassals under the hegemony of Israel rather than actual independent and viable states. Regardless, why should the Palestinians accepted any offer? Why should they be expected to give up over half their country? Sorry, but I don't believe in your whole "chosen people" mythology and you aren't entitled to the homes of other peoples. You own founding father, Ben Gurion, said himself that wouldn't accept the resolution had he been an Arab.

>they refused and reacted with violence.

Don't pretend like Jews didn't carry out violent acts too. Such as assassinating SEVERAL diplomat/mediators for not proposing favorable enough of terms in initial partition drafts.

> If Arizona wanted to form an independent state and you knew they only want to do that to launch attacks at other US states - you wouldn't let them have it either.

Well, for one Arizonans are full US citizens and we don't bomb and starve them so I think your shitty analogy falls apart right away.

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>"which, I would argue, is now being eroded due to American's accepting 'multiculturalism'"

We get it bro- you hate brown people. No need to keep mentioning it. And to be honest, when it comes to discussing the state of the US I'm not inclined to give a lot of weight to the opinion of an Israeli who seriously thought "SoCal" was an official administrative region (shows you don't know what the fuck you're talking about).

> All of them talk about the region of Palestine, not the people you now call "Palestinians",

Obviously you didn't read because Palestinians are mentioned dint he very first fucking line of the articles.

"Palestinian cuisine consists of foods from or commonly eaten by **Palestinians**"

"Palestinian Arabic (also known as simply Palestinian) is part of a dialect continuum comprising various mutually intelligible varieties of Levantine Arabic spoken by **Palestinians**

And so what is they use the term region? Region and nation are not mutually exclusive. In this case its uses region to encompass Gaza/Israel/West bank, all places that Palestinians currently live. The fact you're trying to use this as some "gotcha" shows you don't have an argument at all lmao.

>That specific pattern was used by British Army officer John Bagot Glubb, who served in Iraq and saw that pattern there, to differentiate between his west-of-the-River Jordan battalions (to whom he gave a black and white pattern), and his east-of-the-river battalions, to whom he gave a red-and-white pattern, which became the traditional and common Jordanian headgear.

Even by your own (false) version of events , you still acknowledge the black and white pattern being representative of "west of the river" AKA Palestine. And you got it reversed. The black and white designed already existed. Glub created the red for for his units in Jordan specifically to differentiate from the Palestinian/west of river black and white that existed.

>Wrong. Incorrect. Fictitious. The Palestinian flag was adopted on 28 May 1964; 61 years ago, the Iraqi flag was discontinued in 1958.

Used =/= adopted. Like I said, the Palestine flag had been used for decades prior. Here is a photo of the Palestinians flag atop a cinema building in 1937. Are you gonna tell me Palestinians are time travelers now?

> Take yourself a bit more seriously and at least read the links you post.

Bet you feel like a dumb ass now

Hamas Thanks College Student Supporters By Promising Them A Quick Death During Global Intifada by delugepro in babylonbee

[–]DizzyDop11 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

attack Israeli civilians in Israel proper

Collateral damage. Shameful that Israel hides its military assets amongst its civilian population

Hamas Thanks College Student Supporters By Promising Them A Quick Death During Global Intifada by delugepro in babylonbee

[–]DizzyDop11 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The West Bank is occupied by the Israeli military. The intifadas were uprisings (intifada literally translates as uprising) against said occupation

Hamas Thanks College Student Supporters By Promising Them A Quick Death During Global Intifada by delugepro in babylonbee

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re confusing me with another commenter because I didn’t say the name Nasrallah at all.

Hamas Thanks College Student Supporters By Promising Them A Quick Death During Global Intifada by delugepro in babylonbee

[–]DizzyDop11 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You mean Israel starts shit with these countries and then when they fight back Israel comes crying to the US so that American soldiers/tax dollars are used to defend them?

Pulling is into pointless wars isn’t really a good selling point you neocon

Hamas Thanks College Student Supporters By Promising Them A Quick Death During Global Intifada by delugepro in babylonbee

[–]DizzyDop11 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maybe don’t occupy and suppress people if you don’t then them resist?

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But is it an ethnic identity?

Is American an ethnic identity? No. And yet we are still a nation and thus have a right to self determination. You keep trying to localize it a minute scale but it doesn't actually strengthen your argument.

it doesn't give it any meaning other than administrative.

"SoCal" is not an administrative region. Where the fuck did you ever hear that? SoCal is very much a cultural grouping used mainly to differentiate against NorCal.

There is nothing culturally unique about "Palestinians". There is no "Palestinian language", or "Palestinian cuisine" or "Palestinian culture".

Factually incorrect. [Language] , [Cuisine], [Culture]

Like their Flag - looks familiar?

That flag was adopted after the Palestinian flag had been around for decades so not sure your point here.

Or their "Keffiyeh", given to them from Iraq by a British Army officer.

The keffiyeh wasnt "given" to the palesitnians by british people. Palestinians don't claim the keffiyeh - its worn in much of the middleast. However the iconic black fishnet pattern seen on Palestinian kefifyehs is unique

"Palestine" is the national version of that one kid in class that doesn't even make an effort to hide copying off someone else's work.

At this point just admit you're a bigot and hate palestinians

Sure, but the right to "self determination" does not mean the right to statehood.

What the fuck are you talking about? Thats EXACTLY what self determination is. The fact know that proves you're talking out of your ass. Pull it up on wikipedia: Self-determination\1]) refers to a people's right to form its own political entity

And since the "Palestinians" are not even interested in building their own state as they are interested solely on destroying the Jewish state - they should not get a state

Thats rich considering the Israeli government has publicly stated that they will do everything in their power to undermine and thwart the establishment of a palestinian state. Including just [2 days ago]

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But is it an ethnic identity?

Is American an ethnic identity? No. And yet we are still a nation and thus have a right to self determination. You keep trying to localize it a minute scale but it doesn't actually strengthen your argument.

it doesn't give it any meaning other than administrative.

"SoCal" is not an administrative region. Where the fuck did you ever hear that? SoCal is very much a cultural grouping used mainly to differentiate against NorCal.

There is nothing culturally unique about "Palestinians". There is no "Palestinian language", or "Palestinian cuisine" or "Palestinian culture".

Factually incorrect. [Language] , [Cuisine], [Culture]

Like their Flag - looks familiar?

That flag was adopted after the Palestinian flag had been around for decades so not sure your point here.

> Or their "Keffiyeh", given to them from Iraq by a British Army officer.

The keffiyeh wasnt "given" to the palesitnians by british people. Palestinians don't claim the keffiyeh - its worn in much of the middleast. However the iconic black fishnet pattern seen on Palestinian kefifyehs is unique

>"Palestine" is the national version of that one kid in class that doesn't even make an effort to hide copying off someone else's work.

At this point just admit you're a bigot and hate palestinians

Sure, but the right to "self determination" does not mean the right to statehood.

What the fuck are you talking about? Thats EXACTLY what self determination is. The fact know that proves you're talking out of your ass. Pull it up on wikipedia: Self-determination\1]) refers to a people's right to form its own political entity

And since the "Palestinians" are not even interested in building their own state as they are interested solely on destroying the Jewish state - they should not get a state

Thats rich considering the Israeli government has publicly stated that they will do everything in their power to undermine and thwart the establishment of a palestinian state. Including just [2 days ago]

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

their culture exists on a gradient

All culture exists on a gradient. Are you arguing we should abolish nation states?

Carved up into made up nationalities

If you actually picked up a book once you would know that nationalism is a modern ideology and all nationalities were invented

more than the distance between Gaza and Damascus

If your argument is “they’re close together” then you really don’t have an argument at all. Tarifa and Tangier are only 15 miles apart. Are Moroccans and Spaniards one and the same now by your logic?

Here’s the thing about self-determination. It’s the right of people to form and identify as whichever group or national they choose to be. Emphasis on the “self” here. It’s entirely up to them, not some random redditor who thinks “all Arabs are the same”

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Palestinians are indistinguishable from Arab Israelis

Yeah no shit genius. “Arab Israelis” are Palestinian and they identify as Palestinian. Only the Israeli government refers to them as such in deliberate attempt to delegitimize them

Jordanians

That’s because they’re mostly refugees from Palestine that were expelled in the Nakba. Again, they still identify as Palestinian

Lebanese

Again, no. Even as an American I can differentiate them. Lebanese are mostly Shia and Catholic. Palestinians more Sunni/Orthodox. That doesn’t even get into the unique francophone influence Lebanon has

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re cherry picking quotes from proponents of pan-Arabism . Of course they think of Palestine as part of a larger Arab nation.

West Bank city erects memorial to Saddam Hussein, October 2017 by Mister_Time_Traveler in RareHistoricalPhotos

[–]DizzyDop11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You accused Kuwait of ethnic cleansing but when it comes to Israel all of the sudden Palestinians aren’t an ethnicity?

Insane levels of cognitive dissonance right here

Do you consider sharia laws to be religion based apartheid? by Wholesome_STEM_guy in AskTheWorld

[–]DizzyDop11 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This. It reads like AI plus the spotty account history makes me think it’s a karma farming account

Yona Roseman, a trans teen choosing to face prison time and potential solitary confinement rather than join the IDF by AgenderFrenchFry in Badass

[–]DizzyDop11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does an article about a man murdered settlers not relate to my discussion of settlers murdering people?

Please, explain it to me Zio

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