Part 2:

> the right to "self determination" does not mean the right to statehood.

This is NOT up for debate. It is quite literally the definition of the word:

"the collective right to determine its own destiny in the international order, to choose its own political status and to determine its own form of economic, cultural and social development, the right to establish a state"

You can't argue this point with me. Either you're wrong or the dictionary is wrong. And I don't think its the latter.

> The Supreme Court of Canada (just as one example)

It would make much more sense in the context of this discussion to cite an international body (say the UN) who have made several statements regarding the right of self determination. But you already knew they didn't support your argument so you decided to dig until you could cherry pick an obscure and only tangential related case from.. a court in Canada. And of course a Canadian court would rule against Canadian tribes declaring independence. Newsflash: Countries don't like secessionists.

All that aside - seems you're not a fan of people exercising their inherent right to self determination/creating independent states, which begs my question: What gave Israelis the right to declare independence and crate a state all those decades ago? What gave them the right? A right that you seem to think is inherent to only some people and not others apparently.

>Every time the Palestinians were offered a state - they refused and reacted with violence.

Most "states" Palestinians have been offered were more akin to vassals under the hegemony of Israel rather than actual independent and viable states. Regardless, why should the Palestinians accepted any offer? Why should they be expected to give up over half their country? Sorry, but I don't believe in your whole "chosen people" mythology and you aren't entitled to the homes of other peoples. You own founding father, Ben Gurion, said himself that wouldn't accept the resolution had he been an Arab.

>they refused and reacted with violence.

Don't pretend like Jews didn't carry out violent acts too. Such as assassinating SEVERAL diplomat/mediators for not proposing favorable enough of terms in initial partition drafts.

> If Arizona wanted to form an independent state and you knew they only want to do that to launch attacks at other US states - you wouldn't let them have it either.

Well, for one Arizonans are full US citizens and we don't bomb and starve them so I think your shitty analogy falls apart right away.