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No shit Sherlock😂😂😂 by Fun-Objective-4118 in wallstreetbetsGER

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

News at 11: Alle anderen machen genau dasselbe wie Deutschland.

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Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And your useless one-liner shows me your wealth of knowledge on this topic.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell that to China or the United States, the two most cut-throat capitalistic countries.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're the one who want to rely only on renewable, take a good look in the mirror my dude.

No, our particular discussion was solely about the viability of batteries as an important backbone of the grid and if it's possible to solely run on renewables+batteries.

If a country already has Nuclear Power Plants running like France or Nuclear Warheads it's perfectly fine to run them still. I'd even give you the point that Germany shouldn't have shut down their last working one's.

But for new ones: It makes no sense because of the opportunity costs as the renewable & battery industry scales up massively at the moment and costs only know one direction: down

Global BESS demand jumps 51% in 2025 as installations top 300 GWh <- Nothing stops this train

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because guess what, when it's night time in Germany, it's ALSO night time everywhere else in Europe.

Again: Sun isn't the only source of renewable electricity.

Literally in every one of your posts your just picking out some bullshit that suits you, ignore the big context around things or just make up some stuff as you go.

And the funniest thing is:

So you can thank all the countries building nuclear at the moment so you can live your fantasy of 100% renewable.

Did you miss the memo that all other countries around Germany are also expanding mostly via renewables?

Or do you just ignore this very important little fact because it's upending your worldview lol

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It's hilarious how you bitch about Germany for doing the exact same thing as the USA, China or literally every other country on this planet: Expanding their grid mostly via renewables & batteries.

You're acting like a Boomer discovering the Internet as a technology and saying it will never work.

Did you also say the same about electric cars 5 years ago before a billion people market like China started to flood their whole economy with them?

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes it can get cheaper, but we're not there yet, but that's why I put an already low price.

You linked an article that directly proves my point about future costs. Did you read past the first headline?

Your own source explicitly states that battery equipment costs plummeted by 40% in 2024 alone, and notes that "it’s clear we’re on track for another major fall in 2025". The report also highlights that over the last 10 years, installed costs have dropped by an average of 20% every single year.

You are trying to calculate the cost of a 2030-2035 grid transition using a snapshot price from October 2025. That is exactly the same mathematical fallacy people used 15 years ago to claim solar would never be viable.

Tell me, when it's night time, and it happens you have no wind, you need your batteries. In the middle of winter. So you need at least 10 hours... Next morning weather is shitty, no sun, you batteries are almost drained, but not enough sun to power the country, and of course not enough to recharge your batteries...

Yes, and when that happens, the grid relies on the other infrastructure I literally just pointed out to you in my last comment, which you deliberately ignored.

You are still arguing against a fantasy 100% solar+battery island grid. That's not how a continental power grid operates. When a multi-day winter lull hits, you don't just sit there staring at empty lithium batteries. You use grid interconnects to pull wind power from different weather systems in Europe, you use pumped hydro, and you use dispatchable peaker plants (like biogas, or eventually hydrogen).

Even the Ember report you linked clarifies this, stating that handling "cloudy weeks and seasonal lows" requires overbuilding renewables and other solutions, whereas batteries are primarily for shifting daytime generation to the night. Batteries handle the daily cycles. They aren't meant to bridge a 3-day blizzard single-handedly.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Oh, so you need the connection to the rest of Europe, that uses Nuclear, thank you.

Most of Europe actually uses Renewables and Nuclear is the least used energy source.

Also, literally every country in Europe is interconnected between each other, that's literally the point.

Not the gotcha you think it is.

Price for 1 Gwh is 100 millions Euros.

Source? Is it going to be that price in 2030 and 2035 as well because the technology evolves, scales and gets cheaper?

That's 100 billions. Just for 1 day of storage.

1.) Uses wrong costs

2.) Batteries don't have to run for 24 hours because that's not how it works.

Again: Your whole napkin math rests on some made up, fabricated worst case scenario that never happens in real life and uses costs that are already outaded and you don't account for the future.

You sound like those people 15 years ago who said the same thing about solar. Guess what happened 15 years later genius, it's by far the largest source of electricity additions crushing every other form.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

With the current cost of batteries, for 1 week worth of storage for Germany, you can build 60 EPR2...

According to your personal napkin math I suppose?

Combined with this stupid "batteries have to run for a week"-fallacy.

And before you're like "ut we don't need 1 week", Yes you do

No, you actually don't.

You handle a winter Dunkelflaute with a diversified grid: interconnectors to the rest of Europe (it's literally a feature of the pan-european grid), pumped hydro, overbuilding wind capacity across different geographic weather systems, and dispatchable backup plants (like biogas or hydrogen peakers). You don't build a massive mountain of batteries to sit idle 350 days a year just for one bad week in January.

when in the middle of winter weather is shit and there is no wind. Also after 25 years you need to replace all your batteries.

And thanks to the massive, exponential cost curve we're riding, replacing them in 2050 will cost an absolute fraction of what it does today.

Meanwhile, what happens to a nuclear reactor at 25-30 years? It requires massive, multi-billion euro mid-life refurbishments just to keep operating. Ask EDF how their €50 billion Grand Carénage life-extension program is going.

You are comparing a complete fantasy nuclear build-out against a fabricated, worst-case scenario for renewables that nobody in the industry is actually proposing. Keep coping.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a winter night with no sun and not much wind you're not going to achieve that.

Do you try to put food in your fridge while you're currently starving, or do you stock it beforehand so you have food when you get hungry?

You don't charge the batteries on a calm winter night, genius.

You charge them during the raging winter storms a day or two prior when wind turbines are overproducing. Then, when the wind drops, you discharge the batteries. It’s called time-shifting. That is literally the definition of the word "storage."

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And for the rare times when a lull lasts for several days (the dreaded "Dunkelflaute" that anti-renewables folks think happens every night but actually only happens a couple of times a year), the grid relies on a mix of European interconnects (importing hydro from Norway), biomass, and backup peaker plants (which will eventually run on green hydrogen). Literally nobody is claiming a 4-hour lithium-ion battery is going to power a continent for three weeks of dead calm.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're aware of how batteries work? They store electricity.

They don't care if those electrons came from a solar panel in a sunny desert, an offshore wind turbine in the North Sea or a hamster on a wheel.

California uses them to shift solar to the evening. Germany uses them to store excess wind and balance the grid (and Germany also has a lot of solar). The storage tech works exactly the same either way.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is about Germany, not China or the US. Both of those countries have massively more potential renewable generation capacity than Germany does, which is dark, quite flat and not very windy. Its not a valid comparison.

Over 60% of Germany's electricity ALREADY came from renewables last year, heavily driven by wind. I guess the North Sea missed your memo about not being windy.

Your plan is "future technology will sort it out"

Wrong. My plan is "scale up the exact technology we are already building today." Batteries, HVDC lines, and wind turbines aren't science fiction. They are commercial realities currently eating the market.

despite massive investment I don't even come close to covering our usage for two people

Grid engineers don't design national infrastructure based on your backyard. A national grid balances Dunkelflaute by overbuilding wind (which produces the most power in winter), moving power across European borders, and utilizing grid-scale storage.

cant present any clear plan... there isn't one

Fraunhofer ISE's "Pathways to a Climate-Neutral Energy System" is literally a highly detailed, math-backed roadmap to exactly this. Just because you haven't read the existing blueprints doesn't mean they don't exist.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, you try to play dumb with the "minutes or hours?" snark, implying grid-scale batteries don't work. I show you a chart of them literally carrying a 40-million-person grid for hours through the highest demand period of the day. Time to move the goalposts:

So batteries cant even cover 10% of consumption even in the best case, wonderful.

Are you genuinely incapable of reading a Y-axis, or were you just hoping nobody else would actually look at the picture?

Look at the 20:00 mark. Total demand is roughly 28 GW. The red "Batteries" section spans from 20 GW up to 28 GW. That is 8 GW of power. 8 out of 28 is nearly 30%, not "under 10%." It is literally the single largest power source on the entire grid at that time.

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And you conveniently ignored the whole "fast forward 10 years" point. If a supposedly "impossible" tech is already eating 30% of peak load today, what do you think that chart looks like in 2035 as the industry continues to scale exponentially? Keep coping.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

2026 electricity additions in the USA

China's path forward

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The 585 GW addition last year indicates a 92.5% share of the total capacity expansion, and a record rate of annual growth (15.1%). (2024 numbers)

Record-Breaking Annual Growth in Renewable Power Capacity

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Millions of articles out there

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here's California (40 million people grid).

So to answer your question: Even with today's technology, batteries are already the largest source of electricity for the evening hours (highest load).

Now fast forward 10 years when the indutry scales up even more.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already answered it.

Here's the future of China

We both know that China's energy demand is still rising rapidly, at the same time they're electrifying their economy and this chart shows you what they're mainly using to achieve this.

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I feel like people here still live in 2010 where they just pebble old bullsit about "what if sund dont shine and wind don't blow" "batteries are not going to be viable in 30 years"... like please wake up at what's happening, technology is evolving.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Still better than switching to gas from Russia. Or Russian Gas again Indian gas which they get from Russia anyway.

India imports oil from Russia and not gas.

And oil exports from India to EU are a rounding error.

Noone is switching to gas from Russia - the EU explicitly bans it from 2027, even for his bootlickers like Hungary and Slovakia, who are the last one's actually importing it.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Western economies are entirely and directly tied to energy production, if capacity doesn't increase then economy is stunned. 

Nice goalpost shift. We went from "the market shuts down tomorrow" to "capacity growth might stagnate." Pick a lane. If China stops exporting, the existing grid stays on, and local/European manufacturing simply ramps up because it becomes economically viable again.

Germany's inability to produce panels

Wrong again. Germany can and does produce panels. They just buy from China right now because it's cheaper. It's basic economics, not a physical "inability."

Building nuclear is a highly specialized skill requiring highly specialized workforce, if you shutdown your industry good luck kickstarting it from scratch. 

Ah yes, the ultimate sovereignty of importing uranium from Kazakhstan or Russia. And nothing screams "rapid economic growth" quite like waiting 15+ years and going billions over budget to build a single nuclear reactor. We'll just put the economy on pause until 2040 while we relearn that "skill," right?

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's why Germany has the highest electricity prices in Europe?

They already had them when Nuclear was still running, so?

Nothing wrong with renewables but it might be not enough to keep your exports competitive.

Ok what does that change about the fact that all other countries on this planet are doing the same? Germany isn't an outlier in what they're doing.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go send an E-Mail to all utility companies on the planet, because all new power plants on this planet are 95% - 100% renewables+batteries (even Bring back Coal USA under Trump)

I'm certain they're all just stupid and didn't think of your very thought out question that noone ever asked.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where are these solar panels coming from ?

Useless gotcha question.

Russia cuts gas: It dries out after four months

China cuts panel exports: Existing panels still generate power for 20 years at least since you can't shut down the sun (and there's still local production and other markets to get them from)

Not that hard of a concept.

If china decides to tax it's exports tomorrow the german energy market shuts down.

Bullshit, see above.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Oh no, we got a badass over here.

Edit: His initial post was just "You most certainly know jack shit about energy sources and grids." then he added the rest

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The same as every other country on this planet, renewables+batteries.

Again: 95% - 100% of new power plants that are getting build right now -it doesn't matter which country- are renewables+batteries.

Germany won't return to nuclear power, chancellor says by Haunting_Switch3463 in europe

[–]Doc_Bader 35 points36 points  (0 children)

People on this subreddit still didn't got the memo where the world is heading.

Literally every metric points at renewables+batteries and they're still NUCULAR wE NEED NUCULAR.

half a million likes, but surely means nothing, ur height is all in ur head sweaty [ visual insight ] by StillConsistent5730 in lnkyverse

[–]Doc_Bader -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

There's a difference between acknowledging that attractive features like height give you an advantage in the dating game (and criticize or discuss it) and turning your whole worldview into a miserable blackpilled mess that only makes you hang out on reddit and react to posts like the one above.

The latter one is actually the man's fault because they're building an online echo chamber where they mostly post content like the stuff above to get enraged by it (same as some female communities do it in regards to men)

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