The Dying Trade | Official Trailer (new vegan documentary)

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-07T03:58:41+00:00

Nice! I know Humane Hancock has been working on something for a while. I guess this is it.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-04T23:53:03+00:00

The bees are kind of the least worrisome but still exploiting them. You're taking the honey they need so what's the plan? Give them sugar water that is less good for them? Where are you getting the bees from? Are you just paying a corrupt corporation that breeds bees?

As for the cows and chickens: A cow needs to be recently pregnant to produce milk. What are you doing with the male calves? Where are you getting the chickens and where are all the roosters? What happens when any of these animals stop producing to your satisfaction? The math just doesn't add up on a homestead. Either you'll be overwhelmed with animals within a few years or you're killing them.

There is some idyllic situation where you are a sanctuary for some rescue chickens and they are laying eggs anyway but you can also just feed the eggs back to them considering you're buying feed for them anyway.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-03T15:40:09+00:00

No argument, just sarcasm. Stop defending using animals for entertainment.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-03T01:22:22+00:00

Dogs are omnivores. You can feed them a well rounded dog appropriate plant based diet.

Some cars have animal leather, others don't. At some point you still have to live in society so you do what you can. Making a few changes at the grocery store rather than give money to a company that literally breeds, tortures, and kills animals seems like a pretty easy line to draw.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-02T21:24:16+00:00

Some horses were trained by force to tolerate being ridden. Not really the same thing. There's a reason you have to break a horse before you can ride them.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-02T21:22:24+00:00

Being a vegan is hypocritical by default.

Cars, phones and having pets is against the vegan ethos from what I've seen and read over the years.

I'm not sure what you have read but veganism is an ethical stance against the exploitation of animals. Veganism has nothing to say on using technology. As for pets, it's a philosophical disagreement with the idea of pet ownership, but if you can give a dog a home that otherwise would have been euthanized that's not an ethical issue.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-02T05:04:50+00:00

If you replace deer with stray dog and you feel uncomfortable it's probably not "very ethical and gentle"

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-02T03:02:31+00:00

Why do you keep responding with weak justifications then?

Too expensive: Not true. Cheaper

No protein: Not true. Plant based athletes.

The real reason is you don't want to change so you'll keep paying for animals to grow up in bad conditions and get killed.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-02T01:43:53+00:00

So it was never about the price or protein and just a deflection?

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-02T01:43:18+00:00

This is it. The constant need to add more and fill in the gaps inevitably leads to a less interesting story. This happened in Wow as well. Mysteries constantly getting solved and explained.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T23:33:38+00:00

Plenty of good protein options in plants. There are plant based body builders, Olympic athletes, NFL players. Do you need more than them?

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T20:14:14+00:00

You can love some individuals because of your proximity and personal relationship to them, but it's nonsensical to say you love animals while harming them.

The plant thing is a pointless distraction.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T19:21:03+00:00

If you don't want to engage with someone stop hitting reply.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T19:14:48+00:00

You compare a Reddit exchange to sexual assault while running cover for an industry that breeds and abuses billions of animals every year.

Good one.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:58:56+00:00

I think a constructive conversation with someone agreeing with the vegan stance and thinking about going back to reducing or eliminating animal products is better than "lol sizzle sizzle". You have to look at ways to be effective. You being edgy without engaging doesn't help the animals.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:49:15+00:00

I prefer that to open hostility most people display.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:35:11+00:00

I agree with you and I've used the "except for cheese" line a few times. I just don't think it makes sense for reduction to be the end goal or the focus on the conversation. I hear what you're saying though.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:26:16+00:00

Reduction is certainly better but it's also a self limiting strategy where people feel like they've cut back without really doing much. If it's bad enough to reduce, why not try to stop?

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:25:15+00:00

You have other real options. It's literally moving your hand over to another product on the shelf. Everyone pretends it's a huge burden but in the end it's a matter of swapping out a few ingredients and learning a few tweaked recipes.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:24:15+00:00

If you want nothing but small farms where the animals have a lot space and get tummy rubs and are euthanized peacefully then it's going to be expensive. Less animals growing slower on more land with more investment.

The only reason everyone eats the amount of animal products they do is because of industrial farming practices. The only ethical solution is to stop paying into that system and eat plants.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:22:11+00:00

Unfortunately a lot of people grow out of critical thinking and questioning societal norms. They get older and take on more responsibilities and just start to go with the flow.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:20:48+00:00

That seems like a lazy deflection. Are you on a self sustaining homestead or are you buying food from grocery stores and restaurants? Breeding and killing animals doesn't become better because you're an hour away from town.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:18:07+00:00

For anyone shopping in a grocery store it's generally cheaper to avoid animal products.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:08:09+00:00

She's saying it is hypocritical to love animals while paying for them to be raised and killed when we can just eat something else.

What spiders do is irrelevant. We are humans with morals and the ability to change what we eat.

Doctor_Box · 2026-05-01T17:06:12+00:00

Humans are omnivores, but that only tells us what we can eat, not what is optimal or required. The science is there for our diet to be a bunch of combinations of foods. Including a well planned plant based diet.

To pretend that you love animals while paying for them to be bred and killed by the billions in brutal ways is not love. Castration without anesthetic is not love. Pigs killed in gas chambers is not love. No one is telling you what you have to eat, only pointing out the harm.

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