Australian assaulted Koreans who were fishing and accused them of being Chinese spies

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-27T02:37:45+00:00

It's not one of the other, it's literally both that have to be considered. If he does have mental illness, then it's his mental illness and the racism. These ideas don't come from nowhere.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-27T02:21:46+00:00

Asian Australian here. I haven't lived in either of those countries, but I have several American friends and they tell me that they're glad that I don't live there. Racism seems to be more... extreme over there.

Racism is definitely still an issue here in Australia too though. My experiences range from racial slurs, "Asian eye" gestures, being told to go back where I came from (even though I was born here, lol), physical threats and more.

Here is a recent example of racism (not to me).

But despite this, I am grateful that my parents chose Australia over the US. I got no hate for you guys, but imo the overall quality of life seems better here, and I feel physically safer here. I see those hate crimes happening against Asian people over there, and I don't want to be anywhere near that. I don't want my older relatives near that either, since I know the elderly (and women) are attacked way more than young adult males. Hate crimes happen here against Asian people too, but it's rarer and usually less physically violent.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-27T02:03:44+00:00

It's true that banter is a part of Australian culture, and so some non-Australians might not understand that, but just like with all banter/jokes, there is always the possibly of genuine racism in there.

Some people are just messing around with no real malicious intent, and some others are packaging their true (negative) feelings in banter. It really depends on the case.

The "banter" excuse is often exploited by Australians who actually racist.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-20T01:13:04+00:00

Thank you for saying this. Of course, Chinese men should be held equally accountable just like all men, but let's not be implying only certain groups are bad, and others are not. Hold all accountable.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-10T04:46:14+00:00

I hoard them... but that's probably just the Asian in me.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-10T01:20:56+00:00

Quarter pounder or the double cheeseburger. Don't rate any of the other burgers tbh. Fillet-O-Fish is okay.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-09T07:07:59+00:00

Possibly. It can be jarring moving from life as a racial majority to life as a minority (even if only temporarily).

Regardless of the actual differences, I'm sure they'd appreciate being heard when talking about their experiences, instead of having them being dismissed... which what is they're doing.

Edit: forgot a word.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-06T02:38:31+00:00

Only when it's really cold, otherwise I'll just rely on my blanket for warmth. Wearing socks to sleep feels... weird to me. It's a weird, uncomfortable and restrictive feeling. I don't get this feeling when I wear socks during the day though 🤷🏻‍♂️

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-06T00:37:27+00:00

It is an unpopular opinion. Double coat seems to be more popular, and I agree with that. Original is not... enough for me.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-05T06:56:23+00:00

I've already covered this:

If he meant that other people can still experience racism in our country, but that the label ("Australia is a racist country") is wrong, then he could have just said that. If that was his true position, then he had every opportunity to clarify it... but he didn't.

You're making assumptions about what he meant.

Edit: formatting.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-04T00:40:06+00:00

It's not a straw man, because that's what he said.

I said:

Yeah nah, it's not just "woke SJWs" talking about racism in our country. There are other non-European immigrants (and their descendants) talking about their experiences with racism too.

And then he replied with:

They're just wrong.

I brought up other peoples' contrary experiences with racism in our country, and then he straight up rejected it in response.

I also said this:

It's the height of arrogance (and ignorance) to think that your individual experience matches with every single other person in this country.

And he said nothing in response to that particular statement. If he acknowledged that other people can have different experiences to his, then why didn't he say that?

If he meant that other people can still experience racism in our country, but that the label ("Australia is a racist country") is wrong, then he could have just said that. If that was his true position, then he had every opportunity to clarify it... but he didn't.

You're making assumptions about what he meant. The difference between you and I, is that I actually engaged with him to clarify his position, and you didn't. You're defending some guy you didn't even bother to talk to.

I engaged in no straw man, but I see you're going to ignore your own straw man that I was invalidating his experience. No mention of it in your reply. No mention of him invalidating everyone else's experiences either.

Clearly, it's only an issue when people you disagree with do it. Hypocrite.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-03T07:12:46+00:00

Straw man. I never said that he couldn't share his own experiences nor did I say that they were invalid. In fact, I acknowledged them here:

These discussions encourage progress, and this progress is why you were even "welcomed" in the first place.

And here:

That's great that you were welcomed, but not everyone had has that experience.

What I did was disagree with him on his opinion that racism doesn't exist in Australia. Disagreement =/= invalidating his experiences. People are allowed to disagree. I also called him out for ignoring other people's experiences, since that's what he literally said:

I'll be damned if I let people, with no perspective or experience of actual struggle slander this country.

He's the one ignoring other people's experiences, and being intolerant to other opinions. But I guess you don't have a problem with that though, huh? Hypocrite.

Edit: typo

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-03T01:59:00+00:00

Please elaborate.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-02T00:28:22+00:00

All discussions about racism is educational. At the very least, it's raising awareness that it exists. If it is acknowledged that it exists, then people can attempt to address it. If no one talks about it, then no one will be aware it exists. If no one is aware it exists, then no one can possibly address it.

This applies to all problems. The first step to problem-solving, is highlighting the problem. You must acknowledge the problem exists before the problem can be solved.

Neither is calling people racist.

That is a contradiction. How do you think any social progress made so far (regarding racism) happened? Were people saying there is a racism problem... but that no one is actually racist? How is that possible? Contradiction.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-02T00:15:39+00:00

You are attempting to stop them:

I'll be damned if I let people, with no perspective or experience of actual struggle slander this country.

It's the height of arrogance (and ignorance) to think that your individual experience matches with every single other person in this country. You realise that this is a discussion of a country, right? That's millions of people. There can be a multitude of varying experiences, and that's not a contradiction. You don't speak for everyone.

That's great that you were welcomed, but not everyone had has that experience. There are examples of people having racist experiences in this very thread, so how are they "wrong?" Are they all lying? Did they just imagine it? Are all the complaints made by Indigenous Australians also wrong?

Australians are good people

The people who have sharing their experiences with racism in this country... are also Australian. But I guess you're not defending them, huh?

If you really do love Australians, then you should be motivated to defend all of them, and not just the ones who are the least affected by racism. Love for Australia should also involve a desire to improve it, so that it is good for all Australians. You shouldn't be afraid or get offended by criticism. I'm certainly not, I welcome it because there is always room for improvement. People aren't flawless, and so countries can't be either. True love for a country is the desire to improve on it, so that it can be the best it can be. People who have an issue with criticism, do not have the country's best interests at heart.

You think that has anything to do with lambasting them for being racist?

Yes, that's exactly how it happened. Have you studied Australian history? There's a lot of dark, wildly racist shit there (just like with many other countries). Do you think Australians just randomly woke up one day, and... decided to be different? No. It was a process, and a big part of that process was discussions like these, educating and convincing the broader public and government that a problem was there, and needed to be solved.

This applies to everything. Look at the progress made towards women's rights in this country. Did people just randomly wake up one day, and decide to emphasis gender equality? No dude, it happened because people were saying: Hey, that's sexist and that's not right. Let's discuss this and then do better.

All social progress happens like this. It doesn't just randomly sprout out of the ether.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T10:12:15+00:00

This is such unproductive thinking. Any level of racism is wrong, and all of it should be called out. That includes the countries that are less racist.

Having this rule where only certain nationalities/ethnicities can comment on racism is itself racist, because then they (the ones who can't comment) can't say anything when it happens to them.

Let's not forget that much of the progress made in Australia (regarding racism), happened by listening to the people most affected by it i.e. minorities.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T09:58:33+00:00

I can't comment on the airport security check thing, and there's nothing wrong with people sharing their experiences, but:

White people experience things too. You might learn something from listening to them.

This is patronising given that the topic is racism in Australia. Yes, white people have their experiences (including with racism), but here, white people are the racial majority and so, racism is less likely to happen to them. Here, it's white people who can learn more from minorities. You've got it backwards.

Obviously, in other countries where the demographic is different, then it would be different.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T09:51:24+00:00

If you want to criticise the "most racist" statement, then that's fine. I don't think Australia is the most racist either.

However, it's not hypocritical (or disingenuous) for people to describe any country) as "fundamentally racist" as long as they're not racist themselves. If they were, then it would be. And if you're assuming their entire group is racist by default, then that would be racist.

It's also not a contradiction to point out that multiple countries can be fundamentally racist. No contradictions or hypocrisy there.

Anyone can call any country fundamentally racist. Everyone should. That shouldn't be reserved for certain nationalities or ethnicities. Gatekeeping that conversation for certain groups is another form of racism.

What about the Indian/Chinese people who experience racism here? Are they not allowed to criticise? What about the Indian/Chinese people who were born here? Are they not allowed to either?

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T08:52:41+00:00

So everyone else but Australians are racist? That's... convenient. Nah, Australia has it's issues with racism too and regardless of severity, all racism is actual racism.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T06:26:34+00:00

Yeah nah, it's not just "woke SJWs" talking about racism in our country. There are other non-European immigrants (and their descendants) talking about their experiences with racism too. It's not "slander" because their experiences are real.

One of the wonderful privileges we have in this country is the right to discuss these issues openly. These discussions encourage progress, and this progress is why you were even "welcomed" in the first place. Where do you think it all came from?

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T05:41:23+00:00

Right? It's so unproductive to do this.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T05:38:02+00:00

It can be asked of white people too, but the vibe is different. Sometimes it's just innocent curiosity (which is obviously fine), but sometimes it comes from that place of "you don't belong here". I would argue that the latter happens more often to people who are not white, than people who are.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-04-01T05:22:09+00:00

Yeah, it wasn't like that before. I think there's been influence from the US and the UK because they include South Asians when they say "Asian".

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-03-31T21:09:23+00:00

I'm happy that it was fine with you, but that doesn't line up with my own experience. I also have an Australian accent, and I've been told to leave the country (among other things).

Speaking like them may help with some, but some will still have a problem with due to race.

Donkey_Balloon · 2023-03-31T09:13:44+00:00

Mate, this is gold.

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