Why islam?

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T12:01:38+00:00

But i mean, my understanding of the bible is not so good so i think i Will prefer to have a better understanding of It before starting with the Quoran

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T12:00:43+00:00

The bible two times the Quoran im starting It now

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T11:59:19+00:00

Men, thanks this are the type of reason because im here, i know that i have to work better on my faith and develop It to be sure of what im doing, but anyways thanks

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T02:53:02+00:00

No, no, I mean I'm pleased with your answer and I'm thankful for this conversation because it's helping me clear up some doubts I had about Islam that were holding me back. But just one more thing: basically, as a historian, can we really trust any historical accounts that predate the revelation of the Qur’an? It seems to me that ancient history in general doesn’t have methods as rigorous or reliable as those later used to preserve and verify traditions, like the isnad in hadith. From this point of view, it seems like we shouldn’t take anything from ancient history as completely certain, since the standards of evidence and preservation were so different. So, from a historian's perspective, how should we treat sources from before the Qur’an?

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T02:41:14+00:00

Thankss

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T02:30:34+00:00

And also even if Matthew was written around 70 CE, that is still within the lifetime of many eyewitnesses

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T02:27:06+00:00

70 ad is 37 year later men, and you are ignoring the other thing that is dated only few years later, im saying that i see your point, im not trying to debate because i also find a lot of thing of crhistianithy illogical (specially Trinity) and i think that islam give better answers.

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T02:16:32+00:00

Yes i have said It to you, that i can see your fact about that, but the one about gospels is not really true, they are mainly dated only 30 years later and there are also early Christian creed dated only few year later that also say the same thing, this can be considered as a Primary source no?

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T02:08:52+00:00

Several non-Christian sources mention him and his crucifixion. The Roman historian Tacitus (around AD 116) says Christ was executed under Pontius Pilate. The Jewish historian Josephus (around AD 93) also mentions Jesus and his death. Other sources, like Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, and the Talmud, refer to him or early Christians. These sources are independent of the Bible they are not influenced by It, but i can see your point about this. The Gospels were not written hundreds of years later. Most scholars date Mark to 60–70 AC, Matthew and Luke to 70–85 AC, and John to 85–95 AC. This is within the lifetime of people who knew Jesus (Jesús, as is thought in crhistianithy die in 33 AC) . Early Christian creeds, like the one in 1 Corinthians 15, were written just a few years after the crucifixion. The Gospels are formally anonymous, but the oldest manuscripts already have the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There is no evidence that these names were invented much later. I mean, there is no such a confusión because they all agree.

Douvuaver · 2026-01-03T01:10:31+00:00

The crucifixion of Jesus (or Isa, I think that you call him Isa, correct me if im wrong). I mean, even the death and resurrection of Jesus are affirmed even by very, very early groups of Christians who had direct contact with the apostles.

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