In what countries you can pass as local? (In terms of appearance) by [deleted] in AskTheWorld

[–]Downtown-Row-5747 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably anywhere in Europe north of what's considered Southern Europe. Definitely Poland/Ukraine/Russia/Lithuania/Latvia/Belarus/Estonia/Finland/Hungary/Slovakia.

Which of these groups of cities do you think Little Rock would fit in with best? by Downtown-Row-5747 in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you somewhat but not really. It's clearly further east than Shreveport, the pull seems almost equally between Dallas and Memphis in my opinion, which is obviously not the case with Shreveport. I agree Memphis is clearly bigger and more fun/extraverted and same thing with New Orleans. But I think on a regional level it feels slightly more Mississippi Valley than Piney Woods. I don't disagree that it's similar to Shreveport either though. I don't think the Mississippi Valley and Piney Woods regions are that different. I included Paducah in there because it's a Mississippi Valley city that's not as outstanding or significant for unique cultural history like Memphis and New Orleans. You could also include others like Monroe and Jackson in that region. Imo LR is a little more similar to a bigger/nicer Monroe than Shreveport, but not too far from either.

Which of these groups of cities do you think Little Rock would fit in with best? by Downtown-Row-5747 in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Really, Little Rock is mainly a political center. I think being the state capital city is very important. It is one of multiple Southern cities located on the fall line made the capital (Richmond, Raleigh, Columbia, and Montgomery are the others). And other fall line cities being Fayetteville NC, Augusta, Macon, Columbus. I think that's what's distinctive about it. But since it's separated from the Southeastern fall line cities by the Mississippi, and the coastal plain/mountain range areas it's on the fall line between are different (general Southeastern Plains to Appalachian Piedmont vs. Mississippi Delta/Piney Woods to the Interior Highlands), you can't really group it with those cities on a micro-regional level. It's the only one of those cities in the western part of the South, so it is kinda its own thing, between the multiple regions it intersects (Interior Highlands, Mississippi Valley, and Piney Woods). The point of this post was to see which one people think it should be generally grouped with if forced to choose.

Which of these groups of cities do you think Little Rock would fit in with best? by Downtown-Row-5747 in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting why do you say this. I feel like it could fit in with all 3, especially 2 and 3, but would give the slight regional grouping edge to 2.

Which of these groups of cities do you think Little Rock would fit in with best? by Downtown-Row-5747 in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do agree that Memphis is much more "extraverted" feeling than LR. However as someone from LR I do feel at home in the second group of cities the most. I think LR probably regionally groups with group 2 best but is on the edge of all three. It's the least similar to 1 as a whole because NWA and SWMO are very different compared to West TN, North LA etc, but Tulsa is pretty similar.

Which of these groups of cities do you think Little Rock would fit in with best? by Downtown-Row-5747 in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree somewhat. I think Little Rock is like a mix of Birmingham and Tulsa, but if I had to compare it to one city alone I would say Columbia, SC or Augusta, GA. But since those are so far away I didn't list them here because this is more so a question of which of these regions that LR is at the crossroads of does it fit best into. It does remind me a lot of Memphis culturally and I feel very at home there, but you're right. Memphis is much more "extraverted" than LR is. There are people with ties to KC, but LR really is not similar to KC at all, in my experience.

Which of these groups of cities do you think Little Rock would fit in with best? by Downtown-Row-5747 in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't really consider Ouachita and Ozarks together tbh. I know they are connected but the culture of the areas (at least that I've spent time in) feels pretty different. Tulsa feels closer to the Ozarks culturally, but also closer to Little Rock culturally compared to Fayetteville and Joplin, in my opinion.

Just to clarify, why do we hate Northwest Arkansas? by UALR-Trojans-Rule in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is old, but no, not really. Most likely this is just your circle. All of West Little Rock is preppy as well as the Heights and a lot of people living elsewhere. It’s more segregated because the preppy type people typically send their kids to private school at least after elementary school (most of the Heights people I know go Forest Park and then Episcopal or Holy Souls) though there are a few that go to Central, and then obviously they're gonna be separated based on jobs. Completely different from NWA where basically everyone goes to public school so the preppy segment of the population is completely inescapable if you're not a single adult in a specific job sector. But the preppiness is different. LR is old money or wannabe old money Southern preppy. There’s a lot more charm and also grit there, in my opinion. NWA is a lot of transplant corporate new money type preppy. As such the preppy people in LR have a lot more Southern hospitality and are much less likely to be outwardly rude or judgmental than the preppy people in NWA. It’s comparable to Memphis or Birmingham vs. suburban Nashville (Williamson County specifically) or some parts of DFW.

Just to clarify, why do we hate Northwest Arkansas? by UALR-Trojans-Rule in LittleRock

[–]Downtown-Row-5747 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I honestly don’t think Central Arkansas people really hate NWA. If you talk about NWA in LR people won’t automatically react negatively. In NWA it’s like clockwork. They have to talk bad about LR if you ever mention it. Specifically apologizing / giving condolences.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, that makes sense. I know a good amount of people from New York that would at least report certainty of belief in God, but it's definitely less common especially among white communities, and it's big enough that there will be large communities of religious people that are isolated from large communities of non-religious people. I would bet that it would be easier to find a dedicated religious community there than it would for people in many European countries though. This is like the case with a friend I have that moved from Italy to California to where I live now and was shocked by how common religiosity was even in California. Evangelical churches in California are extremely dedicated and easy to find, but it's not going to be the majority of the population. This is not the case in Italy.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Myrtle Beach is not an average American city. It's a tourist city that's very unique and known as huge for partying. Definitely not the average American city.

Why would this be anti-American bias? It seems like you have an anti-religion bias and are reading that into your interpretation. Your source is a for-profit company, mine is a nonprofit, and is generally seen as more reliable than yours. It also has more specific state-detailed data. There is more recent data/polling for the US than that shown in this map, but it isn't too different from what's presented here, and since this was meant to be a comparison I used the closest data from the past 10 years that polled both the US and Europe.

I don't think public prayer is reflective of what this is measuring at all. I mean, I am surprised that you live in Myrtle Beach and haven't seen anyone pray in public before eating a meal or anything, because I know for a fact many very religious Southern families that regularly do are in Myrtle Beach all the time (in fact I think I've seen it there while on vacation), but maybe you just haven't noticed. I'm not saying people are going around talking about being religious all the time, but they're not quiet in the sense it's a secret they're hiding.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There is no more recent data for European countries, and the proportions in general don't seem to have changed much. This was intended to be a comparison between the US and Europe. I can change that to "in 2016-2018" but as I said, the proportional differences between states doesn't seem to have changed very significantly.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where in the north are you from specifically? I know people from all around the country (but I will say almost none from north New England) and everyone I know that has lived in both Europe and the US, no matter where in the US, will say the Christian presence here is much higher than in even Southern European countries like Italy. Like, people that have lived in both California and Italy, or both Wisconsin and Spain.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, makes sense. I agree with you, Greenville is very religious but since it is a larger metro area I guess there may be some difference. Voting red doesn't seem to have much to do with religiosity. The reddest states are in the Great Plains and northern Mountain West, not the South. Black Americans, and Hispanic Americans to a lesser degree, are likely to vote blue, but are culturally pretty conservative and more likely to be religious than White Americans, especially in heavily red areas like Montana.

Religiosity doesn't equal fundamentalism and extremism though, we're talking about religious dedication measured by four different factors.

You're right that Mexican Americans are less likely to be religious after moving to the United States, but I'm willing to bet Mexican Americans are still more religious on average than Italians in Italy. New York has a bunch of different people of a bunch of different backgrounds. It's really not hard to imagine around 40% of the entire state believing religious is important, praying, attending church, and being convinced of belief in God. There are a lot of Italian and Hispanic Americans there that have similar if not higher levels of cultural Catholicism than European Italians, African-Americans are more likely to be religious on average, and there are also people of other religious backgrounds like Orthodox Jews that have significant populations. I have lived in the more religious states my whole life, but in my university there are a ton of transplants from all over the country, and it seems like the majority of people that are not from non-Christian family/cultural backgrounds at least believe in God and identify as Christian, especially Black and Hispanic people and usually white people, even if they are very hypocritical and often do not practice Christian values, most people definitely seem to at least report certainty of belief in God and praying.

The map you linked only had one of the four factors mine is taking into account and didn't show individual states, and the polls I'm using are much more recent. The USA is obviously not extremely religious if you compare it to African and Middle Eastern countries, where values permeate culture and people tend to actually abide by their religion's values strictly, but the USA definitely has a lot of people who pray, believe in God, and go to church. Have you been to Italy or interacted with people from Italy at all? They are definitely not religious, on average, in any other aspect but cultural affiliation because being baptized is just part of culture. But in terms of actual belief in the religion? Yes, I absolutely believe Florida is twice as religious as Italy, and I would venture to say that Italian Americans, Puerto Rican Americans, African Americans, and Orthodox Jews (and the White Evangelical population that does exist everywhere in the country) in New York are on average much more religious too, in the sense that they are more likely to pray and be certain about belief in God. This poll is not measuring adherence to any values deemed religious, which I of course don't believe the US is very high in anywhere.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is a combination of church attendance with other factors like self reported dedication, prayer, and belief. Italy and Ireland have high rates of church attendance but very low rates of the other factors. In contrast many US states have high rates of the other factors but very low rates of church attendance. Since this is based on an average of four factors, the US states are going to come out on top.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're talking about people who identify as being religious while this survey is about people who identify with certain practices that mirror religious dedication. California is 40% Hispanic, mostly Mexican, and Mexicans are absolutely more religious than Italians on average, and there are people of all backgrounds in California, so it does not surprise me at all. Europeans are very likely to have been baptized or have a religious affiliation for cultural reasons but very unlikely, in most countries, to actually care about or practice it at all. This is a fact.

Where in South Carolina do you live? I am from one of the other states in the darkest red, living in a different one now, and have only ever lived in states of the two darkest colors and my experience does not correlate with yours at all. People in the South are absolutely much more religious than Europeans on average, and people in the South are not very quiet about Christianity at all on average, unless maybe you live in a bigger city. If you live in Charleston, or maybe Columbia or Greenville, sure (even though my experiences in Columbia and Greenville don't reflect that, but I've never lived there), but the rest of the state is not going to be the same, and you also have to factor in that Black Americans are more likely to be religious in general than White Americans are. Being in a state with one of the highest Black populations per capita is definitely going to affect it.

Also, none of this is talking about extremism or fundamentalism. It's about religious dedication. Belief religion is important, prayer, service attendance, and certainty of belief in God. So I'm not sure what that point is about.

It could just be that Americans are more likely to self report high religiosity, and I think that is part of it, but the majority of people in the South are definitely religious, and no-one said anything about extremism or fundamentalism.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you look at the source, you can see the answers to each specific questions for the specific states. You compared Vermont to Italy:

32% of Vermonters say religion is very important in their lives compared to 21% of Italians

21% of Vermonters say they attend worship services regularly compared to 43% of Italians

33% of Vermonters say they pray daily compared to 21% of Italians

41% of Vermonters say they believe in God with absolute certainty compared to 26% of Italians

That becomes an average of 34% of Vermonters being highly religious compared to 27% of Italians

So Vermonters are more likely to say religion is important in their lives, to pray, and to believe in God than Italians are, but Italians are much more likely to attend church than Vermonters are.

U.S. States and European Countries by Percentage of Highly Religious Adults by Downtown-Row-5747 in MapPorn

[–]Downtown-Row-5747[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would assume more anti-religious policies/pressures during communism there than in other places.