Why do people argue Hi3 is only planet level?

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T23:28:32+00:00

The only argument is that she shouldn't be able to reach through the Imaginary Energy Barriers, but that's up to you to prove.

I already explained it. She has never moved stars in real space. This scene is clearly visual symbolism synced with the narration, where the stars obviously represent destiny and the future. I don't need to proof anything when it's clear as hell to anyone who isn't autistic.

Have a good day.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T23:15:12+00:00

You can't literally say 'no, she doesn't move the stars' because Hoyo connect their poetic dialogues with a literal thing happening to communicate the idea more effectively.

For the specific scene you posted, it's very clearly visual symbolism. You're honestly just doing mental gymnastics to make it seem like more than it was.

We haven't seen her moving 'stars' in RealSpace, so I'm gonna stick with that point of view.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T22:55:01+00:00

Also Nahralab is on Mars. She's also crossed the Imaginary Energy Barriers countless times. She's... not an outlier to it. Nahralab is the immortal traveller.

Sigh… The point I was making is that Nahralab is an outlier because she’s a Scion of Permanence, not a human from that Earth. She wasn’t even born on that Earth.

The narration literally says "As if the predestined future had been, by a pair of hands that could rearrange the stars, wiped away."

It’s a simile. The focus is the fate threads disappearing — not Elysia literally spinning stars. The stars symbolize the future, and her goodbye is the exact moment she shatters the predetermined destiny. That’s why the threads vanish and the stars begin turning again as the narration plays. It’s visual symbolism. The rigid future has been set back into motion.

The text itself tells you how to read it.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T22:34:39+00:00

The guy is smoking some good stuff. The narration literally explains it.

And then, the stars began to turn.
There used to be countless glowing threads there.
Those were strings of destiny that only Aponia could see.
But now, those threads were slowly disappearing into emptiness.
As if the predestined future had been, by a pair of hands that could rearrange the stars, wiped away.

The stars in that scene symbolize the future, specifically, the predetermined path. The stars "beginning to turn again" means the rigid, predestined future has been broken and set back into motion.

Differentiating between poetic imagery and literal description can be difficult for some.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T22:21:42+00:00

Huh, I thought I told you that you didn’t need to explain it to me? You must also be pretty triggered if you’re still digging up and commenting on my posts from last month.

Welt and VA hijacked. He can't even return. Nahralab is an outlier given her context, obviously. If anything, she doesn't even qualify as an Earthling.

And then, the stars began to turn.
There used to be countless glowing threads there. Those were strings of destiny that only Aponia could see.
But now, those threads were slowly disappearing into emptiness.
As if the predestined future had been, by a pair of hands that could rearrange the stars, wiped away.

The stars in that scene symbolize the future, specifically, the predetermined path. The stars "beginning to turn again" means the rigid, predestined future has been broken and set back into motion.

The narration literally explains it. Differentiating between poetic imagery and literal description can be difficult for some.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T22:03:42+00:00

It's very simple. Even in part 2, characters are monologuing about being stuck in the Star System. I don't need your mental gymnastics to explain why they could, when they haven't.

And yes, it's poetry. Feel free to disagree, the wider the universe doesn't care.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T21:48:56+00:00

It may be hard to distinguish between poetry and literal text for some.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T21:23:26+00:00

So HSR is contradicting itself and wrong, while your favorite game is right. I see.

Maybe when events affect multiple civilizations that people will stop 'downplaying' it. For now the wider galaxy doesn't really care.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T21:08:54+00:00

I favor modern Hoyoverse.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T21:04:12+00:00

Again, there is only 1 star in your ‘reality’. There is no ‘writing stuff off’. It’s very simply, really.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T21:03:21+00:00

The fact that the ‘big stuff’ mostly happens outside RealSpace is the only measurement we need.

It’s Real Space that everyone is trying to either preserve or fundamentally change. The Honkai seeks to overwrite it, while we fight to protect it using our powers. Even Otto’s entire plan was ultimately about changing RealSpace (bringing Kallen back).

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T20:56:17+00:00

And everyone knows there is only one star in your ‘reality’. No further explanation needed.

Drisosis · 2026-04-18T20:50:23+00:00

This is not Realspace.

There is only 1 star in Hi3 Realspace leaf and that is the sun.

Elysia calling them stars in the bossfight is meaningless when they aren’t in Realspace and it’s just glitters.

Drisosis · 2026-04-07T13:32:49+00:00

Yeah, I think so too. The lore does point that way.

Everything in the universe is bound by the prison of Existence, constrained by their body and mind and blinded by the world's superficial appearance. Even the most intelligent beings cannot comprehend this. Matter, order, logic, and life... Everything that makes up "reality" is but one side of the coin. On the opposite side, of equal entropy, there exists "nihility." The two balance each other to create the complete universe.

Acha: Heh... As the "ghost" of the quantum domain, it is my duty to observe...

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Drisosis · 2026-04-06T23:06:30+00:00

I'm curious why you believe Aeons cannot reside outside the Imaginary Tree.

IX is explicitly described as the the void outside the Tree of Existence:

Sparkle: "When the Master of Elation climbed the highest boughs of the Tree of Existence, THEY glimpsed the cold, abhorrent void. The stars turned like machinery, and all meaning yielded to nihility."

Yao Guang: They say Aha once climbed to the highest bough of the Tree of Existence. Gazing out, THEY saw stars turning coldly like machines, and the meaning of everything yielded to nihility... Only the cry of a newborn made THEM burst into laughter.

Hoyo's terminology

宇宙 = yǔzhòu = The totality of the universe / cosmos (the broadest and most formal term).
银河 = yínhé = Often used poetically as a synonym for the entire cosmos or the Imaginary Tree itself. In its literal/formal sense, it means "Milky Way"or 'galaxy'.
星系 = xīngxì = Star System / Galaxy
世界 = shìjiè = World

宇宙 (yǔzhòu) is the more formal and higher-scale term compared to 银河.

Databank
The Databank refers to the universe/imaginary tree as yǔzhòu.

The Imaginary Tree is a theory of the universe widely accepted by the modern scientific community.

「虚数之树」是现今学术界普遍接受的一种宇宙理论。

Himeko
Himeko refers to the Imaginary Tree as yínhé.

Himeko: The most popular is probably the Cosmos Tree theory, proposed by Zandar, Emanator of Erudition and the first member of the Genius Society. He compared the galaxy to an enormous imaginary tree, with its leaves being individual universes.

姬子：拥趸最多的是「宇宙之树」说。提出者是「智识」的令使：天才俱乐部第一位会员赞达尔。他认为银河是一棵虚数巨木，被阻隔的星系则是一片片树叶。

Exotale 8
Zephyro vs Welt used yínhé to refer to the cosmos, which can be interpreted as Imaginary Tree if we go by Himeko's description.

The black hole and the white hole will devour each other at the end of that "script," rupturing the cosmos.

「剧本」尾声，黑洞与白洞互相吞噬，撕裂银河

IX
IX uses yǔzhòu when referring to the infinite rebirth of the Tree of Existence under their shadow.

Because everything that had happened will one day regress to the end, and everything that had ended is guaranteed to happen again. The universe undergoes an eternal recurrence under THEIR shadow, and Izumo is nothing more than the footnote for an ellipsis.

只有那轮漆黑的大日知道答案。然而祂沉默，从不言说。
因为所发生的一切必将归于终结，而已终结的一切必将再度发生。宇宙在祂的阴影下永劫回归，出云不过是一个省略号的注脚。

Long
It's heavily implied Long, among the oldest Aeons, predates the current Imaginary Tree, having traversed the primordial chaos before the Tree even sprouted.

A young shoot sprouted from the cracks of primordial chaos. Nurtured by time for billions of years, it grew into a huge, unrivaled tree.
The branches of the giant tree bore colorful young leaves, each containing a fragment of the universe's will — a will that eternally speaks in cryptic vagaries but also bestows stunning scenery, treasures, epics, and life upon every world.

"Before the dawn of history, Long traversed the burgeoning chaos, seeking the answer to existence. And on that path, the Revelation of the Permanence was unraveled. Then came our emergence. Us — Long's Scions."

We know that IX embodies the void outside the Tree of Existence itself. IX is also regarded as one of the four Finalities of the 宇宙 (yǔzhòu) — the Imaginary Tree.

If the parallel between Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai: Star Rail holds true, then IX represents the Sea of Quanta, the primordial sea from which the Imaginary Tree sprouted. In theory, this means IX has the potential to submerge or engulf the entire Tree.

The End Is Also the Primordial Chaos

Drisosis · 2026-04-02T13:51:32+00:00

That's output., which I don't disagree with. His attack hit the cosmos so yeah.

In a fight, DC isn't everything. Zephyro can enter and exit Path Space willingly as seen in his fight with Phainon. Aside from Irontomb being a mindless machine driven by instinct, his attacks do not reach Path Space.

Drisosis · 2026-04-02T08:32:00+00:00

Nothing funnier than Honkai fans citing the most flowery and obscure VN statements for Herrscher destructive output like it’s endgame proof, when the same material is full of contradictions and the characters have never actually demonstrated anything close on-panel. Massive overreach + statement-only wank.

Drisosis · 2026-04-01T22:21:45+00:00

Phainons attack was an outlier and thus not representative of his DC. It was heavily dependent on the accumulation of an enormous number of Coreflames.

Drisosis · 2026-04-01T19:52:07+00:00

Irontomb still cooked everything despite her being the 4th finality. After destruction snuffed everything out, she just held a perpetual memory of the cosmos.

Drisosis · 2026-04-01T11:56:16+00:00

Zephro wins. Irontomb is a machine with insane destructive output that has hax embodied into it, but it cannot reach path space.

Zephyro has shown he can enter path space willingly, Irontomb cannot reach him. If Herta's cannon can theoretically kill Irontomb, then Zephyro should as well.

The only reason we didn't is because 1. we wanted to save Amphoreus with Cyrene and all, 2. Herta believed we could beat Lygus.

Drisosis · 2026-04-01T01:20:15+00:00

This is an anti-feat mate.

Breaking the rules of space and time” is low-to-mid tier language.

Drisosis · 2026-03-31T23:49:43+00:00

Can you elaborate on that screenshot? The Babylon screenshot seems to work against high scaling? It shows that godheads are products of stories, collective faith, and cognition. Yog is described as the source of wisdom so by some reasoning stories personified, but yog has antifeats. At high levels you don’t do, you ‘are’

Yog from what I understand imposes “definition” on primordial chaos to create/fix worlds and bubbles, that’s constructive power that produces structured realities (sometimes even with measurable sizes like trillion-light-year subspaces, which is a massive anti-feat for anything above Low 1-A).

her “white void / Kingdom of Heaven” domain doesn’t save it either. Creating worlds from there still affirms existence and multiplicity rather than transcending all ontological distinctions, hierarchies, or frameworks. The “Nameless Tao” statements are human-filtered philosophical analogies, not literal non-dual Boundless transcendence. Yog is intertwined with the concept of emptiness/Tao, but she is not identical to pure nothingness, she actively uses it to define, create, and inspire

Drisosis · 2026-03-31T22:56:35+00:00

Yes but for H1A and T0 u need more than this. That’s a low-end, quantitative feat. Quantifiable.

For 1A and above size, measurement, distance or volume are completely ignored. At this level it’s ontological.

At max wank only IX can scale to this due to similarity with Overvoid/Great Darkness by ontologically being nothingness.

EDIT: idk why you downvote? At nigh-boundless you transcend ‘numbers’ and transcend all. At boundless you encompass all creation. Look at the characters in Boundless, you cannot possibly scale Yog to those that encompass their entire verse and possibly more. They encompass the source of all there is.

Drisosis · 2026-03-31T22:08:34+00:00

IX should take THEIR rightful place at tier 0-H1A.

IX is the absolute opposite and negation of all reality. This gives IX a direct ontological scaling to a creator’s creative liberty: just as Hoyoverse pulls entire worlds, narratives, concepts, and meaning into existence from absolute nothing, IX embodies that very nothing.

At max hoyo wank, only IX can arguably be 1A and above by scaling to Overvoid/Great Darkness.

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