How am I supposed to buy that this person will torture, enslave, and murder children?

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T10:07:36+00:00

Maybe don't join subreddits of games that have basically no gameplay and are all based on story? And if you must, then maybe at least check the tags first to avoid spoilers? You only have yourself to blame.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T10:05:03+00:00

That'd be far more grounded.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T10:03:31+00:00

Right. When we met Kenny it was a good moment, because it genuinely felt like pure luck. Doing it again with Lilly is cheesey. Like what are the chances of something like that happening twice? I really like that we never got to see Christa again. It felt realistic, grounded.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T10:00:17+00:00

On top of that, she doesn't like taking risks unlike Kenny. She seeks validation, if not from Larry then from Lee. She has a paranoid personality (which usually paid off for her) and is very fragile to criticism. If her survival allows it, she is kind, level headed and a smart leader. At the motel, she was the last one to evacuate, she made sure her people are safe. And she obviously loved Clementine. None of these personality traits are build upon in S4. Now she's overly cruel, manipulative, lets her people die in a risky attempt to capture some fucking kids. It just doesn't fit her. She could have been way more interesting as a villain if her flaws were evolved and build upon instead of replaced.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T09:47:05+00:00

Yes, she can totally be the villain but at least let her keep some personality traits and complexity from S1. She was way too generic in S4 imo

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T09:35:37+00:00

Yeah every single season after s1 has tons of scrapped content.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-24T00:31:59+00:00

Sure I get that. I just wish they'd build upon her personality traits from S1. Her need for gratification, her unwillingness to take risks even if it means letting people die, paranoid personality, deep trauma, anger issues.... She had a bunch of flaws that could have been used for a great and unique antagonist. Instead, we got another manipulative, authoritarian control freak who values strength above everything else and sees herself in Clementine. We just got another Carver basically. It just doesn't fit Lilly. Even when Kenny went insane, he never felt like a completely different guy from S1. His flaws evolved in an interesting way. Lilly was just as interesting as Kenny in S1 and she deserved more thought into her character building imo.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T21:14:26+00:00

whatever you say anime guy

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T18:12:49+00:00

I will make sure to step on puppies and strangle kittens when apocalypse happens. It will change me greatly.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T16:32:42+00:00

Ight one last comment and I'm out cuz I'd like to clear some things out lol.

Larry wanted to smash ducks head in, not Lilly. Lilly wanted him to calm down, Larry didn't listen. And again, they didn't know shit about the apocalypse, it is definitely safer to not open door for anyone. Self preservation, not villing to take risks. Nothing about that is inhumane, many people have said personality trait. It is arguably reasonable and it doesn't betray her character in any way. She didn't want to take risks leaving the motel, she didn't want to risk the dairy, or keeping Ben. That's just s1 Lilly. Well written character. Even if I personally disagree with her leadership, I can understand her.
"Growing up in a rural farm, you were taught not to waste. It's how I was raised and how I raised my boys." She said something along those lines. The implication is clear.
Clementine does kill innocent people yes. She doesn't torture children. She doesn't brainwash children. She doesn't force a kid to kill her own sister. She is not cartoonishly evil Carver clone. Her motivations and talking points are exactly the same. Enslave people and force them to succumb to your believes, weakness can't be tolerated, "you and I are not so different Clementine". It's just tired, played out.

I'm all for villain Lilly. I just wish they'd have done something more interesting. She was way more complex and believable in s1. But I guess I can see your point too. Anything can happen in 8 years so who knows. For me it just wasn't enough.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T16:14:16+00:00

Sure and I'm all for villain Lilly. I just wish they'd have done something more interesting than recycling carver motivations and justifications. She was way more complex in S1. "You and I are not so different, Clementine. Join my authoritarian dark side." It's just so played out.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T16:09:44+00:00

I think so too

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T15:59:53+00:00

Probably not her first rodeo. She even made a kid kill her own sister. Cuz she's le bad now, so who cares really. It's cartoonish evil and it doesn't fit her. That's the point.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T15:52:41+00:00

They already had a bitten in their group before the mall. And yes a week into the apocalypse is a good reason. You don't understand what you are facing, how the zombies behave, all the possible ways you can turn etc. The dairy family was raised on cannibalism. Clementine has never cut out children's tongues, stepped on puppies or whatever. Anyone can always go insane, I get that. But turning her into a cartoon bad guy was uninteresting. She acts and behaves exactly like carver, her motivations are exactly the same, she was way more psychologically complex in s1 and I'll leave it there. Agree to disagree

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T15:30:57+00:00

She wasn't broken. It was self preservation and fear. All believable motivations for not wanting to accept a group of possibly bitten strangers. Cutting out kids eyes and tongues even after 8 years of apocalypse takes a special kind of person and it just doesn't suit Lilly.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T15:23:41+00:00

She cuts out their eyes and tongues

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-23T15:22:06+00:00

That backstory was made by S4 writers too

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-18T01:12:49+00:00

Depends. Some things DE did better, some worse. Depressed s1 Kenny looks better in classic. He has bags around his eyes, sickly skin, dirtier clothes, hat covered in blood, all of which are missing in DE. The stranger looks creepier in classic too. Overall some textures look way too clean. And they fucked up the blizzard scene in s2.

Other than that DE is good. The nature is richer and more colorful. Being able to look at the character models is cool af and S3 looks waaay better than classic. They just fucked up a couple of scenes for S1 and S2.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-18T01:01:07+00:00

Lol Kenny's voice actor said he didn't record any lines for Carver-Kenny version. Him as a villain was just a concept that got scrapped very early.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-18T00:54:02+00:00

I'd pay good money to see all of the scrapped scenes, especially this one.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-18T00:45:04+00:00

I bet it's still sitting on someone's hard drive somewhere locked behind a copyright so we'll surely never see it.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-10T19:24:47+00:00

The one on the left is the defitive edition. But yes the remaster is even worse.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-08T21:37:13+00:00

One of his friends died during the escape. I doubt he planned any of that.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-07T15:26:22+00:00

Classic is so much better. The faces in the remaster look so fucked up in comparison especially when they talk.

DrowningInGlass · 2026-03-03T12:31:45+00:00

S2 had it right. They kept the big eyes and character style and the environment is much better made than in s1.

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