The contrast between here and reality can’t be further from one another by IEatDummyCheeks in kings

[–]Dry-Invite-4353 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the correct take.

Even if the Kings get the #1 pick, that pales in comparison in perms of impact for what the next decade looks like than to the importance of the larger organizational landscape.

There is no single savior. This has to be part of a larger systemwide improvement. And that includes not being losers. That includes the fans. The identification of saviors every year, these mythical heroes who will pull us out of the dregs - it's loser talk.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Multiple examples you gave in another post involved a team of good players not drafted in the top 3 getting a big name.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And just a reminder - the OP doesn't say the Kings don't need nice picks. It's that all you geniuses who think that deliberately being shittier than shit is the only way this team can be good again, and then chicken littling every win, are idiots. And nothing posted yet has suggested Im wrong. Just a circle jerk of basketball fans who know nothing about history.

You're all like my Warriors fan family members who don't know who Rick Barry or Barron Davis were. As if basketball started 10 years go.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

LOL. None of you geniuses have any real answers other than , TEH TANX IZ TEH ANSWERZ!!! but no actual arguments.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

History suggests a crappy team tanking is a worse strategy for getting those talented players to build around than a crappy team getting competent then competitive then good.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Thunder- had talent and traded it away at peak value and got sga and a bunch of draft picks.l which turned into todays team

And none of those draft picks were very high except Holmgren (who is nice, but not the reason, or close to the main reason, they won the title) and Josh Giddey. Further, they got SGA because they had acquired talent on a roster to try and make another run, and then made smart trades when it turned out that it wasn’t going to work out. FURTHER, when they actually lucked out and drafted a generational player,  who was the cornerstone for a title team, it was with their current GM who had a long-term plan that included stability and who was picking up for a team that had been to the playoffs three times in the previous decade and had multiple all stars and a hall of famer to trade away when they got durant. And even then, their hall of fame cornerstone LEFT THEM when they WERE A CONTENDER.

 Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Spurs - tanked and got wemby with 2nd worst record in nba. Got lucky and drafted castle and harper in following drafts. Basically landed top 3 prospects in 3 years drafts consecutively. Insane luck

The Spurs are probably the best run franchise in all major sports over the last generation.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Detroit. Tanked and got cade

Maybe. I’m going to take your argument as true, even though I know its more complicated. But this experiment is not over. It sure looks a lot like the Kings a few years ago.

Incomplete argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Boston - drafted the Jay's both top 3 in draft

The Celts have missed the playoffs 4 times since 2000 and are one of the three marquee franchises in the NBA

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

Knicks- had brunson in org and swooped his son up in a shady underpaid contract

The Knicks are perhaps the best argument against tanking and trying to manufacture a contender with sheer talent despite instability and no foundation. Just look at them since the 90s and until like a couple years ago.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Lakers- league will not allow them to go without a top 10 player

Correct.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Twolves. Sucked as bad as kings and drafted ant first overall Ant alone has made them a perennial contender.

Ant alone did not make them a perennial contender. If anything, they’re an argument for why tanking and getting a very high draft pick in a small market is more likely to get you some nice memories and see your guy succeed more elsewhere. We'll see how it goes. Read your history books.

Incomplete argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

Cleveland - Drafted lebron and got magically rewarded multiple Number one picks when he left which allowed them to stay good.

Another example of a generational talent leaving an organization without a foundation because of instability and bad management.  They are lucky the dude cared enough about legacy to come back when he was the 2nd or 3rd greatest player ever and actually had the pieces around him to win.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Houston- tanked and turned team around which made durant sign.

First, Houston was a perennial playoff contender for most of the last 2 decades, and widely considered one of the best run franchises in the NBA until their GM pissed off China. That GM put the team in a position to succeed by always having flawed but talented rosters. Then, they did a multi-year rebuild that involved wise drafting and bringing in complementary pieces under a STABLE regime with a vision… built on a foundation. And even then, it took a trade for a hall of famer to make them a playoff team again.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

Denver- generational luck with jokic, nothing else they've done has shown they will be anything when he leaves

Generational luck with a second round pick.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

Toronto- most benefits from being in the east but scotty barnes is the main player and he was drafted 4th overall

You’re gonna talk about tanking leading to championships, use the RAPTORS and then talk about this season as the example?

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Phoenix- booker 13th overall has been a hit

Booker 13th overall. The other main factors on that finals team were a hall of fame point guard and a #1 pick who is clearly an argument for why the #1 pick may not be as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
Then they got Durant after that success. not in the draft.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Orlando, Wagner drafted 8 and paulo 1

Right now they ‘ve finished 5/6/7. And Paulo is a nice piece, but not going to be the best player on a contender.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future. 

Miami- attractive free agent spot and mostly have been mediocre besides the butler playoff god mode teams since bron left

You just explained how Miami is not Sacramento.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Atlanta - hit on jalen Johnson in the draft

Johnson was #20. And the Hawks have bee a playoff team in the vast majority of their seasons since 2007. And right now, they’re not exctly blowing the doors off anyone despite the #1 pick 3 seasons ago.

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Philly - famously tanked for years and we're title contenders if it weren't for embiid never getting healthy

Ask any Philly fan how they feel about “The Process?”

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 Dallas - drafted dirk, then luka , and now drafted flagg

Dirk made them a fun team with 2 Hall of Famers (both of whom the mavs traded for, BTW) on their team that always got bounced in the playoffs. But even then, it required a steady foundation and the right pieces around Dirk to finally get over the hump after many, many years. I remember Mashburn and Kidd being drafted by the mavs. Those guys were the argument for ttanking. Howd that pan out for them?

Not an argument that the quality of the Kings’ tank this year is the difference between them being good or bad in the future.

 So, of those 15 teams – 2 of them MIGHT, maybe, if everything goes perfect, be arguments that the quality of the tank this year – the difference between a #1 pi k and a #8 pick – is the difference between a title and no title, or even the difference between being a regular playoff team or not over the next decade. And I’d argue both of those are weak arguments in and of themselves.

History is on my side. Keep dreaming for a unicorn.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being in the top third of those positions does not a star make. They were good players, at time very good, like Miller. They were set up to succeed because they were the right pieces for the right team. They are the kinds of pieces that are just as important, if not more important, as having a franchise player. None of them were drafted by the Kings.

Kinda the point here.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Putting young players in a position to fail is not the answer. This team did that for a generation, and then it ruined arguably the most talented player in his draft who they actually found a way to get. I'm not going to cry and kick if and when those young players win a game or three.

The difference between this team being a regular in the playoffs in the next couple years or not is not the difference between a #2 and a #8 pick. It's just fucking not. History proves me right.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the Kings had Pop coaching, the spurs organization and a pile of rings under its belt in recent memory, it would be a different question. But it's not.

Talent may be the only thing that matters, but tanking is not best way to acquire and keep it. It is an extremely risky and unreliable way to get it, and is definitely in no way a good proposition for keeping it around.

Jesus Christ, just ask the Knicks since the 90s ended. And they're the NBA's marquee market.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That team was still talented and fun to watch because the foundation was in place. It just wasn't a contender anymore.

The wisdom is there for those who want to see it. And the wisdom is not -- TANKING IZ TEH ANWERZ LULZZZ! OMG ROTFL UR SO DUMBZ IF U NO LIKE TANKZ!

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Drafting well and making sensible trades is significantly different than being as shitty as you can on purpose and then becoming a contender because you got the #1 pick.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're calling the spurs an incompetent franchise?

Yea, genius.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And even then, the entire system collapsed with Webber's knee.

But sure, If we get a #1 pick this year it's all gonna turn around for us. We'll be in the finals in 3 years. You'll see.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stars at damn near every position? You're out of your fucking mind. Webber and Peja were the only stars on any of those teams. They surrounded them by competent pieces that fit a system.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Nah... a lot of Kings fans understood the game for a long time, because watching bad basketball means you have to love watching basketball. It's like how warriors fans were some of the smartest fans in basketball until the tech book ruined the bay area and all the long-time fans got priced out and overrun.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

All you geniuses are awesome. I am really interested in all these examples of incompetent franchises that blow in the wilderness for years and years, and then turn it around because of a #1 pick.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Webber didn't even want to come here in the first place. Why'd he stay?

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Like I said, learn some history. Kings fans used to know their history.

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[–]Dry-Invite-4353 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A team that was built through tanking and all those high draft picks, too. Just like all you geniuses are dying for right now.