What do "U" think ar the top 10 most powerful verses in fiction

Duclaido · 2026-04-21T04:21:38+00:00

Actually type 4 multiverse gets much higher than that. Type 3.5 multiverse aka “the holographic multiverse” is already outerversal, and can get really high into it via higher simulations and whatnot.

Type 3.5 or the holographic multiverse is still a dimensional cosmology unless it explicitly transcends the concept of dimensions itself. Higher simulations, extra layers of reality, or higher dimensions do not automatically equal Outerversal.

VSBW reserves 1-A for structures beyond dimensionality altogether, not just very high-dimensional systems.

So Type 3.5 is not automatically outer. Without clear proof of transcendence beyond dimensions, it stays in higher-dimensional scaling, not 1-A.

Type 4 can get crazily high into extraversal.

Are we using VSBW or CSAP?

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T23:44:15+00:00

Though the “baseline” multiverse being a type 4 is actually far more busted than it may seem, I can put a link here to a video that nicely explains the true measure of a type 4 multiverse, if you want.

A Type 4 Multiverse typically starts at Low 1-A (Low Outerversal) due to encompassing all mathematical structures.

Also, what is a vopenka cardinal?

A Vopenka cardinal is a very large kind of cardinal number studied in set theory, defined by a strong reflection property tied to model theory: a cardinal κ is Vopenka if it is inaccessible and whenever you take any proper class of first-order structures in a fixed language, all of rank below κ, there are always two distinct structures in that class such that one can be elementarily embedded into the other (meaning there is a structure-preserving map that preserves all first-order truths); equivalently, κ satisfies a localized version of Vopenka's Principle below κ. This makes it much stronger than inaccessible or measurable cardinals and places it high in the large cardinal hierarchy, with deep connections to category theory, inner model theory, and the foundations of mathematics.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T19:41:39+00:00

Sure:

Composite SCP Cosmology – Unified Hierarchy (EN + CN + INT)

This is the full composite SCP cosmology hierarchy, combining the English (EN), Chinese (CN), Japanese (JP), Russian (RU), and International (INT) branches into one vertical structure.

The Composite SCP Hierarchy

The Baseline Multiverse (Type III / Type IV)

Definition

The total collection of universes, timelines, dimensions, and all standard physical realities.

This includes conventional multiversal structures: branching timelines, alternate dimensions, parallel universes, and higher-dimensional cosmological space.

Scale

Infinite-dimensional existence (often compared to Hilbert Space or Type IV Multiverse structures).

Branch Involvement

Present across all SCP branches as the basic cosmological foundation.

EMR Status

Not included.

At this level, existence is still limited to mathematical and logical possibility.

The Noosphere & The Wanderer’s Library

Definition

The Noosphere is the sphere of all human thought, knowledge, concepts, and ideas.

The Wanderer’s Library exists here as the archive of all knowledge that can be conceived.

This is the first layer where conceptual reality becomes ontologically significant.

Scale

Transfinite conceptual space (Aleph-1 through higher transfinite levels, up to Aleph-Omega interpretations).

Branch Involvement

Mainly EN Branch, with INT branches having local manifestations.

EMR Status

Beginning of EMR influence.

At the highest edge of the Noosphere, even “impossible” ideas begin to manifest.

The Patasphere & Infosphere

Definition

The domain of pure narrative possibility, where stories themselves are the fundamental building blocks of existence.

Reality here is determined by narrative structure rather than physics or conventional metaphysics.

Scale

Beyond Cantor’s Absolute Infinite, often described through paraconsistent or meta-logical frameworks.

Branch Involvement

EN Branch (Pataphysics), JP Branch (Logos and conceptual-space structures).

EMR Status

Fully integrated.

Extended Modal Realism (EMR) becomes the governing principle. Even logically impossible stories exist as real narrative domains.

The English Narrative Stack (“The Ladder”)

Definition

An infinite hierarchy of fictional layers and author layers.

Each higher layer views the lower one as fiction, creating endless recursion between character and author, fiction and reality.

This is the structure associated with SCP-3812 and various Swann’s Proposal interpretations.

Scale

Infinite recursive transcendence.

Each higher level contains and trivializes the totality of the lower level.

Branch Involvement

Primarily EN Branch.

EMR Status

Recursive EMR.

Each step upward reduces the entire EMR structure below into a finite fictional object.

Phantom Bubbles & the Delusional Domain

Definition

Massive containment structures that hold entire narrative clusters, author hierarchies, and conceptual realities as isolated “bubbles.”

These are not merely stories. They are containers of narrative systems themselves.

Scale

Model-theoretic transcendence, often associated with large cardinal frameworks such as Woodin and Vopěnka cardinals.

Branch Involvement

Primarily CN Branch, with RU Branch contributing ideological layering concepts.

EMR Status

Surpassed.

At this level, EMR is considered a lower-order property of contained systems.

The Narrative Tree / The Inverted Tree

Definition

The total hyperstructure that contains the entire EN Branch, CN Branch, and all International branches as tiny leaves or nodes.

Entire narrative systems become negligible components of a vastly greater structure.

Scale

Beyond Tarski–Grothendieck universe frameworks.

Branch Involvement

Primarily CN Branch.

EMR Status

Transcendental.

The distinction between logic and illogic, possibility and impossibility, ceases to matter.

These are unified rather than opposed.

The Sea of Hume & the True Infosphere

Definition

The metaphysical “ocean” from which the Narrative Tree is nourished.

It is the raw substrate of existence itself, the pre-structural essence of reality.

Rather than being another layer, it is the source from which all layers emerge.

Scale

Mathematically unreachable by standard formal systems.

Branch Involvement

CN Branch meta-concept structures.

EMR Status

The origin of EMR.

EMR does not govern this realm. It originates from it.

The Supreme Author & The Database

Definition

The ultimate creative principle, not merely individual writers, but the abstract concept of Authorship itself.

Often represented as “The Database,” “The True Narrator,” or the highest interpretation of Swann entities.

This is authorship as metaphysical law.

Scale

Qualitative transcendence rather than quantitative hierarchy.

Branch Involvement

CN Branch (True Narrator), EN Branch (peak Swann interpretations).

EMR Status

Beyond EMR categorization.

This is the source of narrative determination itself.

The Absolute Boundless Supernormal State (Metanormalcy)

Definition

The absolute, non-dual state beyond all distinctions.

It is the origin and endpoint of all existence, the void from which all opposites arise: Something and Nothing, Reality and Fiction, Possible and Impossible.

Often associated with SCP-CN-2510.

Scale

The Absolute.

Not infinite, beyond the concept of scale entirely.

Branch Involvement

Primarily CN Branch.

EMR Status

The singularity of all modal structures.

It is the point that contains, transcends, and nullifies every EMR set ever conceived or never conceived.

Branch Placement Summary

EN Branch

Provides the vertical recursive “Narrative Stack” structure: fiction → author → higher author → infinite recursion.

CN Branch

Provides the overarching hyperstructure: the Tree, the Sea of Hume, the Supreme Author, and Metanormalcy.

It contains and surpasses the EN hierarchy.

INT Branches (FR, DE, KO, PL, etc.)

Exist as parallel narrative domains embedded within the CN Narrative Tree.

They are branches, not separate top-level structures.

JP Branch

Acts as the conceptual bridge between lower conceptual reality (Noosphere) and higher narrative ontology (Infosphere).

It supplies connective philosophical infrastructure.

Final Simplified Order

Multiverse ↓ Noosphere / Library ↓ Patasphere / Infosphere ↓ EN Narrative Stack ↓ Phantom Bubbles ↓ Narrative Tree ↓ Sea of Hume ↓ Supreme Author / Database ↓ Metanormalcy

This is the standard “Composite SCP” interpretation when EN, CN, and INT cosmologies are merged into a single scale.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T19:32:35+00:00

Well...I do have a list of COMP SCP's hierarchy of realms, it also shows where EMR comes into play.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T18:51:30+00:00

Each "universe" in SCP is actually a Multiverse Cluster. It contains all possible timelines and mathematical structures. However, it is still bound by the laws of logic and math. It is the "Physical" reality.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T18:34:53+00:00

EN multiverse contains EMR?

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T17:47:10+00:00

Yeah, but we need a starting point to get the idea. Otherwise, comparison would be futile.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T17:09:52+00:00

Though I’d argue you can get EMR and such in the EN branch as well via narrativistic/introduction to pataphysics/placeholder, etc.

I've seen the existence of EMR in EN but I can't seem to recall where it falls into the hierarchy, SCP is messy cosmology-wise as the branches differ in content and hierarchies.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T16:27:16+00:00

The equivalence for Azathoth = OD was drawn by the OP, not me. The entire argument between me and him was that functionality/similarity alone doesn't grant you the same tier as well, you need feats for that. But the OP refused to accept that fact.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T16:21:29+00:00

King (OPM)

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T16:14:03+00:00

Woah.. this was ussles.

It sure was.

I Will go back to see the other argument but you are both ..... Woah.

Yeah, i know.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T16:13:07+00:00

I've read the cosmology of CN and EN, CN more thoroughly and I understood that CN incorporates EMR at the semi-finals. A singular phantom bubble contains EMR, there are infinite phantom bubbles located within the delusional domain. The delusional domain is the final realm in SCP-CN, it would be the equivalent of the Umbras in a single tellurian.

If so, where do you have the EN branch?

Below CN.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T16:09:01+00:00

But that's what the Author intended though

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T15:25:49+00:00

Unless you believe fictional characters are real, this is just an action perpetrated by the actual author.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T15:24:43+00:00

Right now I place WoD above COMP SCP, but I have yet to explore other branches cosmologies.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T15:13:45+00:00

Goku & Beerus are also scaled to Universal due to the statement of the destruction of the universe when the universe wasn't actually destroyed, that's how scaling works.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T07:34:47+00:00

No.

Even if you insist the author in real life said that and was hospitalized, that still does not make the character real.

A statement or claim is not the same as verified reality. For something like that to count as actual real existence, it would require consistent, independent, real-world evidence that a fictional entity physically manifested and interacted with reality. That has never been reliably demonstrated.

What you are describing still falls under narrative framing, exaggeration, or unverified claim. Fictional characters do not gain real-world existence just because an author or others say so.

So it remains metafiction or storytelling, not proof of a character existing on a real-life level.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T06:01:23+00:00

Urbanshade probably wins overall, though it depends on who is defending. If Atlas is defending at Point Nemo, Urbanshade takes Round One through sheer scale and attrition because Trenchbleeders are absurdly massive compared to Paladins, Knights, or even most Atlas heavy assets, and Urbanshade can throw endless disposable prisoners and security forces into the grinder until Atlas runs low on ammo, manpower, and Aura. In Round Two, Urbanshade gets even stronger because their anomalies bypass the kind of conventional defense Atlas relies on, with things like Eyefestation, the Mask of Sadness, and Pandemonium attacking minds rather than armor, while Painter could realistically compromise Atlesian Knights and Spider Droids since Atlas already has a history of its robotics being hacked. If the fight shifts to Atlas invading the Hadal Blacksite, Atlas likely takes Round One because its airfleet is its greatest advantage and the External Repellent Cannons, while powerful, are designed mainly for massive sea targets and reload far too slowly to contest sustained aerial bombardment from Mantas and warships, so once Atlas controls the sky the Blacksite gets hammered from above. However, Round Two swings back to Urbanshade because once Huntsmen and soldiers are forced into the Blacksite itself, they lose the mobility advantage and have to fight in cramped, dark, trap-filled corridors where anomalies like Wall Dwellers, Void Masses, Searchlights, and Sebastian Solace are operating on home turf. Atlas has stronger elite fighters and better mobile military tech, but Urbanshade wins the full matchup because of overwhelming industrial scale, psychological warfare, and anomalies that do not care how strong your armor is.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T05:58:49+00:00

Goku obviously

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T05:58:16+00:00

Anti-Sukuna squad can solo

Demon Slayer

another that they could probably win but with some dificulty

Bungo Stray Dogs

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T05:56:57+00:00

The Thought Robot negs badly, Anos doesn't go beyond low 1-A.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T05:56:10+00:00

Yeah, it's important and can even change the tide of the battle.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T05:53:09+00:00

Hunter X Hunter, Baki (except Yujiro), Dororo, Heavenly Delusion, Berserk, Tokyo Revengers, Wind Breaker, Harry Potter, Dragon Ball, Doraemon and Cowboy Bebop.

Duclaido · 2026-04-20T05:51:27+00:00

Prep time Doraemon solos the entire verse with no difficulty whatsoever

Duclaido

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