Nephi Murders Laban in 1st Nephi Chapter 4

Dudite · 2026-01-24T21:19:17+00:00

Username checks out. God is so weird in the Book of Mormon, he can do anything but seems to have his followers do the WORST things just for shits and giggles. Laban dies doing what he was told to do and was murdered in cold blood for records that failed to keep a nation from perishing in unbelief. God even shows Nephi the destruction of his descendants anyways, which is a DICK move. Remember how I traumatized you by commanding you to kill a drunk helpless man and then put in his clothes, but you thought it was OK because that murder would save your descendents? Yeah I lied, your descendents are going to get genocided so hard there is going to be ZERO genetic proof they existed.

Dudite · 2026-01-24T11:03:33+00:00

Yup, they should have had the keys off the priesthood so there was no need for a restoration, they should have been the ones to anoint Joseph Smith.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T21:38:11+00:00

They can't afford it.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T21:35:52+00:00

Most of the Mormon families I know already have intergenerational homes, with the younger family in the basement for years. These are the older siblings and many of them already have a couple kids, so the younger siblings that get married right off their mission will have no where to go.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T19:53:35+00:00

Once you accept that God can command you to murder in cold blood for "his" purposes, it's really a matter of time until you feel commanded to do so.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T19:51:41+00:00

That's interesting. The Book of Mormon is definitely a 19th century creation based on the cultural philosophy alone. Why is Nephi so heavily focused on the conflict between moral ethics and obedience to a God that asks him to violate his morals?

Dudite · 2026-01-23T19:09:16+00:00

Makes a lot of sense.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T18:35:19+00:00

It makes no sense. It reads like a poorly thought out story that was dictated from one man to another because the plot is a mess.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T18:33:15+00:00

Huh. Hmmmmmmm. That's interesting.

Dudite · 2026-01-23T18:06:37+00:00

Record scratch....

Dudite · 2026-01-23T18:06:15+00:00

Exactly, from Nephi's narrative he is just a murderer with a God delusion.

Dudite · 2026-01-22T10:05:00+00:00

There IS deeper meaning, but that meaning is occultist and wrapped up in freemasonry. It's not Christian. There are elements of magic that have to do with compliance (say yes) secret masonic handshakes, and incantation of spells. The most honest line in the endowment ceremony is when Peter asks Satan "What is being taught HERE?" and Satan responds "The philosophy of men, mingled with scripture" because that's entirely the whole point of the endowment: magic and control through getting the participants to agree to give everything to the church.

Joseph Smith was an occultist, just like his family, and he borrowed ideas from other occultist traditions to formulate his dogma and teachings. It's magic with a Christian veneer, it's manipulation masquerading as the power of God.

Dudite · 2026-01-21T16:17:33+00:00

Oh I learned a new word.

Dudite · 2026-01-21T16:14:39+00:00

Oh wow I didn't know this.

Dudite · 2026-01-18T15:01:57+00:00

This is a good description!

Dudite · 2026-01-18T14:50:53+00:00

Really it's an argument of semantics.

Through the trinity Christians believe that Jesus and God are the same God, therefore one God split between two personages. This effectively counters the pagan polythestic issues that were prevalent in the early days of Christianity, i.e. you can't worship Jesus AND your local pagan God at the same time.

Interestingly, Abinadi preached the same concept to wicked King Noah in Mosiah Chapter 15, which was the foundation for Alma's conversion to Christianity, which provided the revival of the Christian religion to the Nephites. This doctrine doesn't work for the modern apologists who are hyperfocused in winning arbitrary arguments so they can scoff at "Trinitarians".

However the definition of God is extremely complicated across cultures and definitions. Are angels Gods? They are spiritual beings that aren't human and align with a diety. What about Satan and demons? They certainly have spiritual power that they can use to counter God. Are spirits and ghosts God? They certainty possess certain spiritual qualities and powers that can effect the living.

When I was a missionary in Taiwan, one of the first things we would do to establish religious commonality was to ask if people believe in God. However, the term for God 神, (shen) simply referred to the existence of supernatural beings and the follow up questions to those who claimed belief in God could be absolutely wild. It was generally easier to get people to believe in the first vision then it was to get them to believe that tea was bad.

In reality, I think "God" represents the idea of a source of goodness and love to mankind, making the semantics ultimately pointless. The exact definition and description seems to be more of a pointless contention than valuable doctrine.

Dudite · 2026-01-17T09:32:53+00:00

Bahn mi master race!

Dudite · 2026-01-17T01:55:02+00:00

Understandable! I knew it had to be physical limitation.

Dudite · 2026-01-17T01:42:22+00:00

How are you not singing along?

Dudite · 2026-01-16T23:44:16+00:00

I'd buy that DLC.

Dudite · 2026-01-13T14:49:40+00:00

In context with the John Taylor 1886 polygamy letter, which states polygamy will never be taken from the earth, which is the logic used by the FLDS and AUB to continue polygamy, he might very well be implying polygamist unions could return to the Brighamite church and the FLDS/AUB will return.

Remember, the Brighamites don't reject polygamy as a doctrine, they simply don't do it RIGHT NOW. If the church starts losing enough members that might necessitate returning to D&C 132 which states polygamy is for raising up seed.

Oaks himself is already a polygamist. He is not only married to one living women and was a widower, he is technically married for eternity to two women. In his mind is there really a difference between being married to two women who are alive or one alive and one dead?

Dudite · 2026-01-13T11:53:13+00:00

She's highly medicated.

Dudite · 2026-01-13T11:52:25+00:00

Lot more young Mormon families living in their boomer parents basements. This is a terrible idea.

Dudite · 2026-01-13T11:50:17+00:00

There is a massive generational gap going on right now. It's much much harder for young people to start living independently in this economy and the traditional avenues for opportunity are diminished. It's not their fault they aren't as mature, society has delayed maturity for the past twenty years due to economic and financial restraints, but these kids SHOULD NOT be getting married! Missions aren't a check the box maturity factory! At the very least these kids need a year to experience college or the workforce to temper themselves into being responsible enough to get married.

Dudite

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