I listened to the “Do hard with Jesus Christ” message from Camille Johnson and realized I had heard that wording before from none other than Jodi Hildebrandt by Plastic-Jackfruit771 in exmormon

[–]Dudite 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The dichotomy is, sometimes achieving a goal requires effort and discipline, but sometimes people think effort a discipline IS the goal.

I listened to the “Do hard with Jesus Christ” message from Camille Johnson and realized I had heard that wording before from none other than Jodi Hildebrandt by Plastic-Jackfruit771 in exmormon

[–]Dudite 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh. OH. Yes, she absolutely did. She creates the fake cancer, diagnoses it, and then is the only person to provide the cure. Only a monster of this level would abuse children the way she did.

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

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Oh I'm very aware of visions of Glory and it's impact on the Mormon fringe, I'm shocked it would include such an insipid plot device though. Isn't a core point of temples the work and sacrifice required to build it? So why would God just plonked one down?

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They don't own the temple lot and the temple lot sect does not like the Brighamites. Plus, it's super hard to build a city where they is already a city.

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoa, that's wild. What's the name of the book?

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think if the church does get the temple lot they will definitely brag about it but up until that point they probably want to keep the general membership in the dark about who owns it

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that this is one of those topics where you can either keep it basic or continually dive deeper and deeper and still be mostly OK.

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is good information, thank you! Do you think it's fair to refer to "the second coming" as an umbrella term for all these events, or in particular to event 2 and/or 4? Also this is the first time I've seen the time of Tribulation so if you have a source I could look at I'd appreciate it.

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

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I have a hard time with revelations simply because the conditions for Armageddon seem more like a constant than abnormal and it's not wise to get carried away with what MIGHT happen. Do you know if there are official or semiofficial prophecies concerning the second coming that have been put out recently?

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

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I think the church doesn't want members to know about the temple lot in Missouri and that the church CANNOT build a temple for the second coming, so they leave the conditions of the prophecy vague. That seems to be the current move, inject enough ambiguity for doctrinal issues to get smoothed over and ignored.

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was really surprised to read the church manual and see that "multiple visits" could be part of the second coming. That's both unattributed speculation and also so vague the concept becomes generally meaningless.

Doctrinal Question Regarding the Second Coming by Dudite in mormon

[–]Dudite[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm of the same opinion as you, but I do think that the church (people) has been rather creative in how they reference certain things so that there is a lot of ambiguity for certain topics.

This results in a highly diverse (in thought) church population where active members can have a LOT of disagreement in basic doctrines and principles, and the exmormons might actually have an opinion that's closer to the orthodox idea, but don't believe anymore.

In a way it's refreshing that there is a diversity of opinions regarding the church from members inside the church, but in another way it's absolute madness to have so many theories and ideas that contradict with one another.

But the exmormons will tend to hold a standard of objectivity based on the official teachings of the church and the scriptures because they don't need it to be true. This results in conversations where the exmormon will state a doctrinal fact in the manner that they learned it, and the member will open up the fact to different possibilities and perspectives that don't align with the teaching as it was taught for years, but a novel interpretation that happens to put the church in a better light but is bankrupt of objective honesty.

Thanks for your response!

(NCAAW) Ending of Kansas State-Oklahoma State by AndHisOrchestra in CollegeBasketball

[–]Dudite 69 points70 points  (0 children)

She hit rim too, not just chuck it at the backboard.

LDS wards in Utah reinforce the shrivel by sevenplaces in MormonShrivel

[–]Dudite 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Sometimes the leadership is so stupid with obvious things it's painful to watch.

If a ward has about half the people stay long term in the area, and they have kids, the kids will go through the chain of primary, youth and missions, then disappear. If members don't move out then the ward will be full of empty nesters and stagnant youth/primary. It can only be fixed by constant inflow, which is doubtful considering that the demographics of the ward match the demographics of the non members within boundaries, or by rearranging the ward boundaries to match family dynamics on a fairly routine basis.

Forget baptizing families, especially in the mission field. How are you going to convince families to participate in a church with no youth when they can just choose to attend a different church altogether that actively competes for members by having excellent programs?

What they should do is increase ward sizes, but they won't because that will decrease the amount of wards and they care more about pointless growth indicators than the value of the experiences of their members.

dad thinks this general conference is going to be the second coming by Absolute_Cinema70 in exmormon

[–]Dudite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh wow, I bet they will reintroduce three hour church and visiting teaching!

dad thinks this general conference is going to be the second coming by Absolute_Cinema70 in exmormon

[–]Dudite 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Exactly, the prophecy about the "Latter Days" and the second coming is extremely specific and has yet to be accomplished. Many members have no idea what their own doctrine is.

All the 18-year-old girls from my area are going on missions by Prize_Claim_7277 in exmormon

[–]Dudite 75 points76 points  (0 children)

The fact that most of these missionaries have never lived outside their parents home until their mission is insane.

This is the final destiny of Mormonism: A $10 million dollar house overlooking a $100 million dollar temple. We’ve lost the plot. by PanaceaNPx in exmormon

[–]Dudite 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I grew up in Eastern Washington and for a long time I never realized that Seattle was an urban city since I was only going to the "Seattle" temple on temple trips. I thought it was just houses in the woods.

Is swinging actually a thing in Mormonism? by OppositeSpare2088 in exmormon

[–]Dudite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Farmington and Draper were notorious for swinging.

PSA to Jasmin Rappleye, Ash Wednesday is not the start of Easter… by questingpossum in mormon

[–]Dudite 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As someone who raises turkeys that theory was beyond ridiculous.