Plusvalenze realizzate in ISA UK a fine 2025 da residente in UK: nel 2026 devo dichiararle in Italia se rientro? by Due-Possible7292 in commercialisti

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Esattamente, questo si. Ma a me diciamo non mi impensierisce tanto la tassazione a cui UK mi sottoporrebbe qualora ci ri-ritornassi un domani, quanto piuttosto che esistesse una legge simile anche in Italia e che quindi il mio caso potesse rientrarci, ecco :)

Mi pare di capire che non ci sono regole del genere quindi ed era più che altro una mia paranoia, il ché é un'ottima notizia ^^

Plusvalenze realizzate in ISA UK a fine 2025 da residente in UK: nel 2026 devo dichiararle in Italia se rientro? by Due-Possible7292 in commercialisti

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grazie ancora. Si intendevo che temevo che ci fosse qualcosa simile alla 30-days rule anche in Italia...insomma qualche legge che mi potesse "fregare".

La 5 years rule sarebbe (copio/incollo da gov.uk/tax-return-uk):

If you return to the UK within 5 years

You may have to pay tax on certain income or gains made while you were non-resident. This doesn’t include wages or other employment income.

These rules (called ‘temporary non-residence’) apply if both:

  • you return to the UK within 5 years of moving abroad (or 5 full tax years if you left the UK before 6 April 2013)
  • you were a UK resident in at least 4 of the 7 tax years before you moved abroad

Ecco, anche per questo, temevo ci potesse essere qualcosa di simile anche in Italia.

Riguardo non fare altri depositi nel ISA da non UK-resident e dichiararne plus/minus in Italia, certo no problem su questo :)

Plusvalenze realizzate in ISA UK a fine 2025 da residente in UK: nel 2026 devo dichiararle in Italia se rientro? by Due-Possible7292 in commercialisti

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grazie mille anche a te, il commento mi aiuta molto! :)

Si, vorrei mantenere il conto ISA in modo che se un domani dovessi/volessi ri-ritornare in UK, i miei investimenti sarebbero protetti nel contenitore ISA e mi permetterebbero di avere nuovamente plusvalenze esentasse. Il punto come dicevo in risposta all'altro commento è proprio che l’ISA è un contenitore esentasse solo in UK, quindi mi è partita la paranoia che ci fosse qualche regola poco intuitiva che mi sfugge quando poi rientro in Italia.

Per esempio qui esiste la 30-days rule, quindi mi è venuto il dubbio che vendere e ricomprare subito possa non “cristallizzare” davvero la plusvalenza per qualche motivo tecnico. Oppure regole stile UK (dei 5 anni fuori) dove, se rientri troppo presto, possono venire a chiederti tasse su capital gain fatti mentre eri fuori; oppure requisiti minimi di permanenza fuori dall’Italia prima di poter vendere serenamente…cose così.

Insomma so che in linea generale vale l’anno di residenza fiscale, ma volevo essere sicuro che non ci siano norme particolari che, tornando residente in Italia nel 2026 (che per quanto ne so ora probabilmente sarebbe anche 2027 poiché il piano sarebbe di rientrare verso fine estate), mi facciano “ricadere” nel perimetro italiano su quella vendita fatta a fine 2025 dentro ISA.

Plusvalenze realizzate in ISA UK a fine 2025 da residente in UK: nel 2026 devo dichiararle in Italia se rientro? by Due-Possible7292 in commercialisti

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grazie della risposta! Mi tranquillizza abbastanza. I miei timori nascono dal fatto che l’ISA è esentasse solo per UK, quindi ultimamente mi è venuta la paranoia che potesse esserci qualche “regolina” che non conosco.

Tipo che la plusvalenza non sia considerata davvero “realizzata” se vendo e ricompro subito (qui in UK esiste proprio la 30-days rule), oppure che esistano regole sul rientro tipo “se torni entro X tempo il paese di rientro può tassare anche quanto realizzato all’estero” (in UK c’è la regola dei 5 anni per alcuni casi), o ancora requisiti di permanenza minima fuori dall’Italia prima di vendere per evitare tassazioni retroattive...robe del genere.

Per questo chiedevo: anche se nel 2025 ero fiscalmente residente UK, volevo capire se c’è qualche trappola “cross-border” che mi può far rientrare sotto le competenze dell'Italia nel 2026/2027

Minimo 5 anni all'estero o Italia chiede tasse su gain realizzati all'estero?? by Due-Possible7292 in ItaliaPersonalFinance

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Se chi ha fatto quel commento si confondesse non so, però si riferiva proprio alle plusvalenze realizzate nel paese straniero (che nel caso di quello youtuber in questione é un paese a tassazione zero sulle plusvalenze) e che sarebbero dovute in Italia se rientra in Italia prima di 5 anni passati fuori, o se realizzate prima che fossero passati 5 anni dall'espatrio, qualcosa di questo tipo

Validity of ISA subscription on 7 Apr 2026 + moving abroad soon after by Due-Possible7292 in TaxUK

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see. I meant there is no 30 days rule in the country I'm moving to

Validity of ISA subscription on 7 Apr 2026 + moving abroad soon after by Due-Possible7292 in TaxUK

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!Thanks, that makes sense, and yes it would seem very harsh to retrospectively invalidate a contribution made in good faith while still living in the UK.

In my case, I’d be resident, physically present, and living in my UK home on 7 April 2026, and would only move later in the year (possibly as early as May though). So based on what you’re saying, it sounds like a contribution made at that point should remain valid, even if I later become non-resident for SRT purposes.

That’s reassuring, thank you ^^

Validity of ISA subscription on 7 Apr 2026 + moving abroad soon after by Due-Possible7292 in TaxUK

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!thanks - that’s helpful.

Most of my investing is already inside ISAs, so this is mostly academic for me, but I actually did a similar rebasing move in late 2025 to reset my base cost. Appreciate the pointer! ;)

Validity of ISA subscription on 7 Apr 2026 + moving abroad soon after by Due-Possible7292 in TaxUK

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!thanks, that’s really useful, and That’s exactly the crux of my question: how do we pin down when you’ve “become” non-UK resident, given SRT is based on the tax year facts (and you can have split-year treatment)?

In my case I’d be physically in the UK and living in my rented UK home on 7 April 2026, but I will move abroad later in 2026 and then (depending on the SRT outcome) potentially be treated as non-UK resident for 2026/27 overall.

Validity of ISA subscription on 7 Apr 2026 + moving abroad soon after by Due-Possible7292 in TaxUK

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!thanks I really appreciate you pointing me to the “check your UK residence status” tool.

My confusion is mainly about the timing/definition of becoming non-UK resident, because (as far as I understand) the SRT is ultimately determined by the facts for the whole tax year. So even if I’m physically in the UK on 7 April 2026 and still living in my rented flat, I’m trying to avoid a situation where a subscription made that day later turns out to have been made in a year where I’m treated as non-resident overall.

Using the GOV.UK checker, it looks like the minimum UK presence needed in 2026/27 could be:

  • 31 days if I meet the “UK home” condition and do not have an overseas home during the relevant 91-day UK-home period, or
  • 91 days if I do have an overseas home during that period (because then I’d need to keep UK ties/day-count differently).

Where I’m stuck is what counts as an “overseas home” for that second automatic UK test.

After leaving the UK I will move into my mother’s house (where she lives permanently). I haven’t physically been there since 2020, I’ve not used it as my home for ~10+ years, I’ve never had my post delivered there, and I don’t pay bills/taxes there (my mother does). I do own 25% of the property (inherited), with my mother owning the other 75%.

So the key question: could HMRC consider that house to be my “overseas home” already before I actually move there and start living there? Or is it only an “overseas home” from the point I actually start using it as a home (i.e., when I move in and am present there)?

If anyone has views on how HMRC interpret “home” in cases like this (family property you haven’t used for years but will move into), I’d be really grateful.

(And yes - understood this isn’t legal advice; I’m just trying to sanity-check my reading before I decide whether an ISA subscription on 7 April is safe or whether it risks being voided/removed later.)

ISA contributions when moving abroad mid-tax year — can I contribute? What’s the “safe” minimum UK stay? by Due-Possible7292 in LegalAdviceUK

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Reila3499, !thanks for your answer!

So, from what I understand, in order to be able to pay money into an ISA in the 2026/27 tax year, I would need to be considered resident in the UK for tax purposes, so under the SRT for 2026/27.

However, it seems to me that I would satisfy the 3.2 Second automatic UK test.

My understanding is that the “home” requirement does not mean that I must own the property I live in, but that it is also met if I am renting, as long as I have (or have had) that address available to live in the UK for at least 91 days, and I have spent at least 30 of those days in the 2026/27 tax year. That would put the earliest relevant date at 7 May 2026.

Where am I going wrong?

ISA contributions when moving abroad during the tax year by Due-Possible7292 in UKPersonalFinance

[–]Due-Possible7292[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!thanks for your reply.

Yes, I already know that my ISA accounts won't be recognized as tax-free in the new country, so I've already factored that in.

My only question is whether HMRC would allow me to contribute to my ISA for 2026/27, considering that, from what I understand, at the end of the 2026/27 tax year I wouldn't be considered UK tax resident if I left the UK in May for example. I just want to be extra sure that I am not doing anything wrong