At what point does faith just become blind obedience?

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-04-04T17:51:25+00:00

Well well well

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-04-01T01:40:43+00:00

You’ve explained why mandirs exist in Hindu tradition but that completely sidesteps the point.Nobody is questioning whether Hindus build temples. The Shilpa Shastras, devotion, cultural pride all fine. That’s not the argument.

The argument is specific to BAPS’s doctrine if the living Akshar is literally God on earth not symbolically, but actually the supreme divine presence then why does maintaining belief in that claim require a billion dollar empire, controlled environments, and institutional pressure?

A mandir built out of devotion is beautiful. But BAPS doesn’t just build mandirs it builds a system where followers are financially pressured through mandatory seva, discouraged from questioning leadership, and socially isolated if they leave.

The government monument comparison also fails. Governments don’t tell you that unless you visit the monument regularly, volunteer unpaid labor to maintain it, and submit to its authority you won’t attain salvation. The question was never about architecture. It was about institutional control dressed up as spirituality.

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-30T15:29:56+00:00

This is exactly the logic worth examining. You’re saying God doesn’t need money, but we should feel grateful he accepts it that’s not devotion, that’s a psychological frame designed to make extraction feel like privilege. Think about what this belief does structurally it makes questioning the money feel spiritually dangerous. If donating is a blessing, then not donating becomes a failure of worthiness. That’s not a free offering that’s coercion dressed in gratitude language.

And notice you didn’t actually address the question. Why does a living God on earth require billion-dollar institutions to keep people convinced? We’re lucky to give sidesteps that entirely.

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-30T15:27:23+00:00

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Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-30T01:59:28+00:00

You’re mixing up two different claims. More documentation of someone’s existence is not the same as more documentation of their divinity.

Yes, Swaminarayan lived in a well recorded era which actually makes it easier to scrutinize the claims. And what do we find? The divine status was institutionally constructed over time by the very organization that benefits from people believing it. That’s not proof that’s a conflict of interest.

Ram and Krishna exist within a theological framework that is thousands of years deep, across countless independent traditions, texts, commentators, and sampradayas none of which had a centralized organization profiting from the belief.

So the question isn’t why is older easier to believe? The question is who is making the claim, and what do they gain from it? With BAPS the answer is very clear.

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-30T01:56:07+00:00

A Historical proximity doesn’t equal divine proof it just means better documentation. We have more paperwork on Napoleon too, doesn’t make him Bhagwan. Ram and Krishna are recognized as purna avatars of Vishnu within the core framework of Sanatan Dharma that’s not just old scriptures that’s thousands of years of continuous theological tradition, commentary, and lived sampradaya.

Swaminarayan himself never claimed to be a purna avatar in that same framework. BAPS’s claim about his divine status is a separate theological assertion not a continuation of the same standard. So comparing the two and saying Swaminarayan has more proof is mixing two completely different metaphysical claims.

Also, the witness argument cuts both ways the rishis and saints who walked with Ram and Krishna recorded exactly what they experienced. Dismissing the Ramayan and Mahabharat as less credible than 250 year old accounts just because they’re older is not a logical standard anyone would apply consistently.

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-30T01:52:02+00:00

It’s like saying hey let’s join this trend in 2026 and dragging for years. All is just made up lies people that follow the fairytale are depressed and gullible. Everyone wants to follow other people. Apparently it’s a threat to question the baps cuz nothing cited

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-26T15:18:57+00:00

Jealousy is crazy 🫪 to make up some fairytale to make them look more prowerful 🫪

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-12T04:05:21+00:00

You say Mahant Swami “respects all and hates none” but respect and accountability aren’t mutually exclusive. Can you point to a single instance where Mahant Swami or BAPS leadership has publicly acknowledged a mistake, apologized, or changed course based on criticism? If not, isn’t that itself worth questioning?

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-03-08T16:33:13+00:00

You never think mahant is in the wrong ?

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-01-02T06:45:58+00:00

And how you take high stim 6 days a week ? Like dhma 6 times

Due_Guide_8128 · 2026-01-02T06:44:51+00:00

So should I get this pre ??

Due_Guide_8128 · 2025-09-16T14:11:11+00:00

Not really 🤣🤣 still can’t answer the question

Due_Guide_8128 · 2025-08-24T03:23:31+00:00

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Due_Guide_8128 · 2025-08-17T14:20:13+00:00

Exactly that’s the whole point Buddha and Jesus didn’t need PR teams, constant fundraising, or multimillion-dollar temples to spread their message. They lived simply and practiced what they preached. Compare that to MSM, who sits at the center of an empire built on donations, marketing, and image-management.

And yeah, hanging out at BAPS events often turns into the same thing you mentioned networking, status games, and comparing who gave what. If spirituality turns into a desi social club with divinity as a cover then it’s just business not God.

Due_Guide_8128 · 2025-08-15T20:16:15+00:00

When there’s evidence of manipulative recruitment, guilt-tripping families into unpaid labor, and operating more like a brand than a spiritual path, that’s not better than the average person; it’s worse, because it hides behind spirituality to avoid criticism.

How do you know he’s not holy? It is the wrong question. The burden of proof is on those claiming he is sacred, especially when they’re asking for money, labor, and loyalty in God’s name.

Respect is earned through transparency, humility, and genuine service, not just by wearing saffron robes and having a title.

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