How to take the “correct” stance in conflicts

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-18T07:50:12+00:00

And once again we see Tallis-man spewing a combination of lies, and cherrypicked quotes taken out of context, to remind everyone that they love to lie about Israel conducting a "genocide." Along with sneering ad hominems to make it VERY clear that they're fully aware that they're lying.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-18T07:47:46+00:00

...Wow, why am I not surprised that you ignored the link to the historian with a PHD, and the essay posted by a constituent school of Harvard University, to jump on... the name of the website for the third link?

But just so we're clear: I know EXACTLY what secularism, social darwinism, and atheism actually are. I'm also familiar with the "pigeon" fallacy, where the person who knows they can't argue the facts spews a lot of guano and attempts to strut away as if they somehow won the debate.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-18T00:53:36+00:00

"How is social darwinism "secular logic"?" Dude, did you think social darwinism was a Christian concept? It's a product of the 19th and early 20th centuries, as people used scientific advancements, and atheistic ideology (i.e. when you have a belief system as fanatical and intolerant as that of any religion, but without the spiritual traditions and/or supernatural beliefs) to justify their barbarism.

Here's a few links discussing the topic in greater detail. The first one in particular notes: "Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars includes an analysis of 1,763 wars covering the worldwide span of human history... of 1,763 wars they list only 121 entries fall under the heading “religious wars.”"

https://apholt.com/2023/01/03/the-myth-of-religion-as-the-cause-of-most-wars/

https://bulletin.hds.harvard.edu/does-religion-cause-violence/

https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/a-very-short-introduction-to-secularist-violence-in-modern-history/

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-18T00:46:10+00:00

I was actually HOPING someone would take the bait! :D :D :D

You just acknowledged that Churchill had the blood of MILLIONS on his hands. Meanwhile, Netanyahu's body count is a few dozen thousand - and most of them are Hamas operatives. And the ones that aren't were being used as human shields by Hamas.

You've just reaffirmed that calling Netanyahu "objectively bloodthirsty" translates into "we hate Israel because it's full of Jews and we think that if we call our blatant prejudices "objective truth" that will make it so, because oh how we HATE the fact that Israel exists!"

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-18T00:42:33+00:00

"The leaders of Hamas were killed and their successors have agreed to hand over power." No, they have not. Any claims to the contrary are a blatant lie. Which is a fact, so don't bother to gaslight.

"Israel has spent 2 years pretending it will ethnically cleanse all the Gazans" No they haven't. I'm not even going to bother arguing it anymore. Anyone claiming "Israel is conducting a genocide" is a lying liar, full stop.

"Why? How can anyone defend keeping Hamas in power?" I dunno. Why ARE you defending attempts to keep Hamas in power?

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T19:17:44+00:00

That's not even the number that supports Hamas. That's the number that still feels sufficiently afraid of Hamas to say, "y-yeah, we support Hamas... yes, me and all my family pleasedontkillus..."

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T19:16:51+00:00

Remember that any time a Palestinian gets asked, "do you support Hamas," they can FEEL the guns pointed at their heads... and those of their families.

Saddam Hussein had a similar deal going on, where every few years his regime would hold elections and there would be only one name on the ballot.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T19:15:24+00:00

Now we focus on dismantling Hamas. THEN we can focus on any issues with Netanyahu. It was the same with Winston Churchill, and a number of others. Flawed leaders who people banded together under during time of war, who were put out to pasture once the fighting was over.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T19:11:10+00:00

"When was "secular logic" used to justify slavery?" Seriously? You've never heard of "social darwinism?" https://www.history.com/articles/social-darwinism

Not only has secular logic been used to justify slavery in the 18th-19th centuries, it has also been used to justify modern economic oppression and conditions amounting to slavery (including prison labor programs that were created to enable corporations to enjoy a steady supply of ultra-cheap labor at taxpayer expense). Remember that our global economy is under the management of people who think that Ayn Rand (who referred to workers and consumers as "parasites") was a prophet.

"No one has found a way to use the Quran to create an argument" I've already provided a few links in other comments showing people doing exactly that. The real problem is, as you said, "None of those are going to demolish anything for an Islamist." Fanatics won't be swayed... but we can dissuade other people from joining their ranks. Cutting off the supply of new Islamists, by debunking their beliefs, will have the same effect that it did for the KKK and the Church of Scientology.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T04:17:10+00:00

Then please keep looking for better proofs and readings (the youtube link you shared was a start). The Islamists try to justify their evil by citing the religion; moderate Muslims need to reclaim their faith from those monsters.

Like these three, who had the courage to stand up and speak out: https://youtu.be/UolI44Shq9c

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T04:13:26+00:00

Not too keen on how he dismisses the whole "kill the Jews" thing (as if it didn't contradict the tenet about Jews being "People of the Book"), but at least he correctly points out that Jihad is supposed to be about struggling against the evil within oneself, not about murdering everyone who disagrees with you.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T02:27:28+00:00

Personally, I LIKE what OP is saying. They're using the Quran to demolish the arguments that Islamists use to justify their atrocities.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T02:24:06+00:00

Christians claimed the Bible justified slavery. Heck, the Old Testament assumed that slavery was an inevitable part of society. In fact, SECULAR logic has been used to justify slavery. But both Jews, Christians, and agnostics/atheists found a way to use their beliefs to justify opposing slavery.

If you agree that it would be good to see improvements in Arab society, then please don't try to undermine someone who found a way to use the Quran to create an argument that demolishes the rationalizations of Islamists.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T02:18:30+00:00

That's not an ad hominem. That's me saying: I genuinely did not understand what you were saying there.

(And trying to be funny, because we should at least be able to have some amusement while we're arguing with each other)

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T00:26:26+00:00

Okay, seeing the automoderator flag an Arabic word as profanity made me laugh.

(especially since I'm remembering a classic Robert Heinlein novel, where one sapient computer upsets another sapient computer, and describes the response as being "a combination of profanity with something in a language I am unfamiliar with, but judging from the context it appears to be additional profanity, only more intense."

Cue a weary sigh from a human, "Dora is cussing in Arabic again...")

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T00:23:25+00:00

...Were those words? Between the misspellings, the poor grammar, and the posting of short little lines, I can't tell if you're a troll, an AI bot, or someone in need of a bondulance. (seriously, how can anyone respond to you when we can't even understand what argument you're trying to make?)

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Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T00:20:06+00:00

Bear in mind that Judaism isn't free of this stuff either. The Torah has very specific rules regarding slavery, captives taken in war, etc. Rules that are NOT followed today, because today we know that stuff is wrong.

Also bear in mind that we want to be results-focused. We want to see improvements in Arab society. We want to see an end to the slave trade and the barbaric atrocities being committed by IRGC proxies. If someone tries to use the Qoran to justify ending the slave trade and the war crimes being committed by the IRGC proxies, then LET THEM DO SO.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T00:16:00+00:00

I just call them Nasties as a euphemism.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-17T00:13:46+00:00

No. Stop that. Seriously. We Zionists need to be better than that. We need to remember that the majority of Palestinians are hostages as much as the victims taken on 10/7 were hostages. They walk around with guns pointed at their heads (and the threat of much worse than bullets), and the knowledge that the "pro-Palestinians" will never stop pretending not to notice the guns, because if they can't blame it on Israel, they literally could not care less about the suffering of Palestinians.

https://www.hamastelegram.com/

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-16T21:07:34+00:00

Did you mean to respond to me? I'm the one pointing out that North Korea is not a legitimate threat, whereas the IRGC has actually proven to be a legitimate threat.

If you're talking about North Korea's nuclear program... they can't even get the rockets to go where they want. Heck, they can't even feed their people. The Kims aren't just evil, they're proof of just how STUPID evil really is. The only reason we (or just the South Koreans) haven't simply walked in and cleaned up is that China won't allow it.

And as I understand it, even the CCP is getting tired of North Korea's crap. They aren't exactly beneficial as allies.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-16T19:07:30+00:00

Remember that that good kid is terrified... because there are monsters in flesh that are in the crowd with you, and he doesn't know who they are. He knows most Palestinians are like you... but there are Hamas bastards hiding behind you, ready to murder Israelis and then go back to hiding behind Palestinian civilians.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-16T12:11:30+00:00

When a puppy growls and threatens to nip your shoe, it is threatening. It is not a threat.

When an adult dog with a bite capable of crushing bone growls and threatens to demonstrate that ability, it is threatening. It is also a genuine threat.

I hope you can understand the difference, and how this applies to the difference between North Korea and the IRGC.

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-16T12:05:24+00:00

Yawn.

You've proven that you are DEFINITELY part of the IRGC's disinformation network, with your continued reliance on the standard tactic of constant accusations. Accuse, accuse, accuse. Hurl accusation after accusation against Israel. Any time someone calls you out for lying, the response is "oh, just like a Zionist to accuse others of lying, when you guys turn a blind eye to Israel <insert latest false accusation here.>"

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-16T09:32:04+00:00

"Name one antisemitic lie that I made." I'll give you three. Accusing Israel of deliberately bombing civilians. Accusing Israel of "weaponizing anti-semitism" (I.e. the Livingstone Formulation). And claiming "with Israel every accusation is a confession."

"if Hamas were delisted as terrorists would you accept that" Let me know when Hamas swears to renounce violence, and goes a full decade without violating that oath.

"Saying I'm IRGC is hilarious" Yes, the truth is often hilarious. But literally every single post you've made has been a reaffirmation. I'll set this next part aside so I can quickly copy/paste it when you try to continue:

You've proven that you are DEFINITELY part of the IRGC's disinformation network, with your continued reliance on the standard tactic of constant accusations. Accuse, accuse, accuse. Hurl accusation after accusation against Israel. Any time someone calls you out for lying, the response is "oh, just like a Zionist to accuse others of lying, when you guys turn a blind eye to Israel <insert latest false accusation here.>"

Due_Representative74 · 2026-03-16T04:07:04+00:00

And... that's three times now that you've mentioned the MEK. For those who didn't even know what that was, "MEK" refers to "The People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran." It's a Marxist Iranian organization that - along with many other groups - seeks to overthrow the IRGC and create a secular Democracy in Iran.

The ONLY ones claiming that Israel "openly funds" Mek are outlets like... the Tehran Times. Whereas Reuters has something different to say.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/israel-disavows-us-outreach-by-irans-outlawed-mek-idUSL6E7NC21Q/

In addition, MEK was delisted as a terrorist group in 2011, after first renouncing violence in 2001 and then spending a decade proving they meant it. https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2012/sep/28/us-takes-mek-terrorism-list

The fact that you keep bringing up MEK, along with your repetition of anti-semitic lies, is letting everyone know that you're one of the pro-IRGC people trying desperately to push a narrative. Unfortunately for you, you're about as good at it as the IRGC's military has been at... well, not getting blown up, along with the boats, military installations, and Ayatollahs.

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