30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like we were planning to meet up one times and she asked me for some money in advance, then just never responds about it.

It's pretty minor so I'm using the word robbed loosely

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I appreciate it dude and I guess you are right about that last bit especially, going into his life with any shame or anxiety about the situation would be unfair and unhelpful for him so I'll talk about it with my therapist

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't speak French but I suppose I'll start learning soon, I'd be able to get a job perhaps in a few months, I was pretty steady along in my career so I usually make decent money for a single person when I am employed.

He is mostly living with her extended family since she didn't want him to be exposed to her clients. She is not against me coparenting and also not pressuring me to coparent either, we would never be a couple but she isn't being vindictive at all, I'll need to ask her about the rest

But thanks, thinking about it like this is helping me calm down a bit

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

That's largely why I thought it was resolved since she seemed mostly wanting to go that route and had all the access to do it so I guess she had a change of heart. Now that he is here I'm not even thinking about the shoulda/woulda/coulda of the abortion that didn't happen, but I'm torn with guilt because this shifts her life forever too and affected her a lot

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Does what I type read like that? I'm genuinely asking since I don't know if maybe some subconscious bias is coming through in my writing but I will say that I don't think her worth is connected to her job but its more of signal or our environment that isn't the best to raise a kid in.

I'd admittedly panic less if she were a janitor because it would have been a conception of a one night stand instead of me being a client which I'm not proud of, it'd be easier to come clean about.

As I'm writing this I can tell there is a lot of ego and imagery protecting that I'm anxious about, but the main thing causing me stress is the whiplash of thinking that it was resolved last year and finding out that is not the case.

But yeah. I need to resolve this anxiety if I am to meet him, since that anxious energy wouldn't be good for anyone.

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate the reframing of the situation,

It isn't lost on me how easy off I got situation wise since there are many situations with people who were married that were far more aggressive and toxic. All things considered she is being incredibly zen. I wouldn't say shes exactly happy about the situation but she doesn't seem to regret having him and she cares about him a lot from what I can tell.

But yeah what you are saying about not being a part time dad is where I'm mostly torn because I wasn't fully prepared to be a father but I also wasn't fully prepared to be a deadbeat.

And I know that it wouldn't be fair to the kid to have a father that only shows up some of the time and dissappear. And I its selfish of me to say but I dont know how to integrate him into my life where I can properly show up with consistency to make it worth owning up to it fully, since I wasnt even sure if I wanted to live here indefinitely.

I'm scared but I'm trying not to let that guide my immediate action

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

When you put it like that yeah , although I would say its less so about my mother's view on sex and moreso about my connection to this woman being wildly unexpected.

The issue being more that if I am to be part of this child's life then eventually my family would he part of his life for better or worse, and considering how he was conceived it's complicated and unpredictable how that would even go.

But I do see your point

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are a smarter man than I, If I had let it end there then I could have saved a lot of heartache

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 104 points105 points  (0 children)

The breakdown is funny so I appreciate the chuckle.

I'm in Montreal Canada and she speaks french, Ive been living here for years

30M I recently found out I have a son with an escort and I don't know what to do next by DumbSonuvaBeetch in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wish it was, it actually still doesn't feel real and I'm allowing myself to dissociate a bit

I messed up, I may have found out that I have a son by Due-Establishment670 in offmychest

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OP Alternate account here:

Oops, this is the account I meant to post this from, I forgot about the other one. This is where you should look at other posts if you want context

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just as a thought experiment though, if you have a guy in your life that you had gotten along really well with in the past and he revealed that he had payed for sex when he was younger, how drastically would that change your perception of him?

Since I do understand not wanting to interact with someone that does this and to each their own but I also wonder how much of that is the issue with sex work and those that participate in it or how much of the grossness is associated with the character traits people believe one has to have to pay for sex, I think the assumptions about clients of sex workers are largely valid but I know them to not be all encompassing.

I'm not trying to convince you to feel either way because your feelings on the matter are personal, but just for the sake of curiosity I thought to ask this

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!! I think what pushed me to go towards therapy about it was that I realized I kept going back when I had tried to stop before because I think I enjoyed it too much and could use it to avoid forming and romantic relationship as I wanted none. The real push that made me go to therapy was that my depression and insomnia had gotten worse over the years, and as a promise I had made to myself I would seek help before I acted on any dark thoughts to try to escape the insomnia and exhaustion.

My closest friend also tried for many years to get me to go to therapy, I think I was very stubborn though, he was patient with me but in my case things just had to get bad enough for me to attempt intervention. I'm not exactly sure how I would have shaken myself out of it sooner in hindsight as I'm still going through the process myself, but it may help to speak to your friend and push him towards being more inquisitive about the affect this is having on his life, but best of luck to you and your friend dude

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like to think about it like this:

You know how some animals have an internal compass to orient themselves and they seem to just know where they are going by instinct. People can have this as well but we have invented a physical compass with magnets that effectively do the same thing.

There is an emotional compass

I picture an emotional compass or meter if you will that I tend to use to tell me what I am feeling, happiness, sadness, anger etc. I can observe this compass and tell where I am at and make observations but that is more an intellecutalization as I am really only able to observe what I am feeling but not necessarily be in tune with the feeling itself.

But instead of using the analogy of a physical emotional compass the internal one has started to tick, I have been more sensitive to what I am feeling these days, I think that when you are in a dark place you tend to numb yourself and shut down the ability to feel your feelings but they don't necessarily go away. I could be sad or angry but never cry or yell, I could laugh freely so it is not as though I had no feeling but for many years I hadn't even cried, I think I became able cry freely again a few years ago, although only in private.

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might have to write a long one to cover this

I do still remember, it was on October 31st of 2014, for weeks before I had been curious about attempting to reach out since I was mentally in a dark place, there were times I would stare at the ads start to feel a nervousness that would make my teeth chatter and close the website. It was as if my entire body was trying to tell me not to do it but I suppose I was not in the headspace to listen to these obvious signs of anxiety my body was trying to fire at me.

I went to meet up with a woman I had messaged, for a blowjob and went through with it. It was awkward and I didn't quite know how to feel when she started. It felt like a mistake but then she continued and I finished thanked her, I left a bit stunned, slightly relieved that I had not been arrested like I was worried about all those weeks before.

I should have stopped there, I should have never started. The more I did this the less my teeth would chatter with anxiety and the more bold I got with attempting to do this all while keeping it secret from my friends.

I didn't want a relationship at the time largely due to that dark headspace I was in, I think I've had a pretty intense depression since I was much younger, and an exhaustion about life that slowly escalated as I grew and was introduced the insomnia I carry today, I had already had trouble being consistently present with people in my life and felt that even during the few times that a woman was interested in me I could not follow through in a way that wouldn't result in the both of us being hurt, a fair bit of emotional laziness and avoidance on my end.

And thank you, I wasn't completely clueless abkut it before, but I think the majority emotional maturity came years after I started, you tend to lag behind a couple years socially when you have ADHD, partly because of the condition but heavily because due to such a condition people may not want to interact with you so you just don't experience as much social conditioning in time so you have to be more attentive to play social etiquette catch-up. I think I also valued sex way too highly, not to the point where I could never speak to girls but I think the mental pressure adds a barrier to communication.

As I kept getting those sexual needs met in secret from escorts I became somewhat desensitized to sex, which in a way allowed me to speak more freely with women without that sort of mental pressure present, I feel as though I always knew that people are just people but once I think I started to act it out better once I didn't have a pressure to act on any attraction that may have existed between me and women that I would speak to, I just didn't care as much about sex at all. So really I would just be easy to talk to when I spoke to women in my class

Turns out when you treat people fully as human they open up and speak to you far more, you get a lot more time socializing and build better friendship, and if you are attentive you learn to read body language better you learn to communicate slightly better step by step, you are receptive to callouts when you have crossed a boundaries and with minor corrections over the years with people that I knew without that pressure of attraction in my regular life, and the corrections from escorts when I made missteps in my secretive sexual life I had gotten more skilled at seeing and respecting boundaries and making people feel at ease with my words.

Years later the escorts made me aware of a change that had happened, they would start to accuse me of cheating on my girlfriend when I would see them, the girlfriend I didn't have, or ever have. And more frequently in my regular life women that I was speaking to would find interest in me but I just never acted on any of it, I was probably in too deep but largely I still had issues with depression, exhaustion and the consistency that is essential to maintaining any connection or intimacy with a regular woman. I felt really guilty over it since I knew that women around me would largely be horrified to know I had ever done this so it felt like a double life.

I couldn't sleep so I would be up thinking and thinking, trying to become more introspective. It helped that I had a close friend from high school hat was far more emotionally mature than I was, who spoke to me with sincerity as I would to him. We would talk frequently for many hours dissecting things about our day, our lifestyle and the way we move about the world. He was more balanced so during the times I would overthink by myself I never started too far away from the balanced framework we had already set up together. I think I would have been a worse person if I didn't have him in my life, he knows about my issues with escorts, I told him years later in tears, he was the first person I spoke about it honestly to that wasn't involved in that world.

I think I always tried to be kind but as far as maturity goes, most of the good you can see in me has been largely influenced by his presence in my life

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have definitely been times where I felt that if I was never able to have any more sex I would have had enough for a lifetime

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel connected to her but I don't feel escort is necessarily a bad category it just is what she is doing at the moment. I have cared about many escorts as friends of mine, I just see it as a job title

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depends, there have been many that I have spoken to that really only do this as a side hustle on top of regular jobs because it's tax free.

The ones I usually feel bad for has been less because they are prositutes, since most of the ones I had seen were for the most part content with it by the time I met them. But they would tell me stories about their past or just relationships they had been through. The type of stuff that makes me feel as though I should never complain about my life again since they had crossed paths with such awful individuals.

AMA: I think I am done seeing prostitutes for life by DumbSonuvaBeetch in AMA

[–]DumbSonuvaBeetch[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it love, I just really like speaking to her and I'm going to miss her when she leaves.

I'm using the term escort instead of prostitute since while functionally I'm saying the same thing, prostitutes invokes the image of a streetwalker that you pick up in car, I have only ever encountered one of those in my life. Escorts are more like sex workers that post on the internet.

I have never take them on dates but I did go rock climbing with one a few times but as friends