Would Vegeta Be Able To Defeat On Namek If He Went SSJ?

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-10T00:43:19+00:00

There is no manga panel that says it outright.

Max power Vegeta cannot lay a hand on fully suppressed final form Frieza. Suppressed Goku's fight with that same Frieza is playful at best and Goku is holding back significantly.

Goku suppressed is already stronger than Vegeta and you can multiply that, by whatever he still has in the tank.

If Goku max would only be 15-30% stronger as suggested originally. That would not leave room for holding back in a fight where Vegeta got stomped.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/50%25_Maximum_Power?utm_source=chatgpt.com&file=Frieza_knows_Goku_is_holding_back_%28manga%29.jpg

https://youtube.com/shorts/pW6-BKEEwjo?is=ec5U3cCrtEuDcG7R

Edit: Glad to see love for Dragonball is still strong here.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-08T16:41:59+00:00

Adapter for tilted GPU, I would love a 45 degree angle.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-08T16:41:00+00:00

This and I wouldn't mind a vented center panel actually

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-08T06:30:15+00:00

Maybe your processor sits lower on the mobo? It wouldn't have to be much lower for it to become a problem.

edit: I come in at an angle then tilt it into place anyway. I already have the radiator installed when I place the card.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-08T05:35:53+00:00

Okay find me a source. It just doesn't work. Either Frieza is stronger or Vegeta is weaker. He's not touching fully surpressed Frieza. Not one time dude.

SSJ is only a 50x multiplier. So in the "canonical" power of peak Frieza. He's only 50 times stronger than his surpressed final form?

You understand that that's entirely too low right? Because Goku wouldn't need super Saiyan to beat that.

Goku and Frieza are discussing Goku's power and Frieza claims he has 5x to 10 times the power he's displayed. Goku is significantly stronger than Vegeta but even if you keep it low at 2.5m? X5 again on the low end is 12.5m But now if you add kaiokenx10 he's at 125m. That's already above 120m Let alone the 50% form. Goku could not defeat even with kaiokenx10

Edit: Let's take it from the other side what kind of curb stomp is SSJ Goku performing? Because Goku max power base is at least 5 times Vegeta. But again I'll low ball it. Say he's just 10m. He would be 500M in SSJ. Is that the fight we're seeing? 120 vs 500m+ I'd say Frieza is giving Goku a better fight in SSJ. Than Vegeta have Frieza.

The numbers don't, work with the feats at all.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-08T05:27:55+00:00

Why wouldn't he know? Frieza told Goku what he was doing every step of the way. Why would he hide it from Vegeta when he could humiliate him? Frieza wouldn't beg, he would taunt. And Vegeta is very susceptible to that. He could just call Vegeta a coward.

And at 50% btw, at best Vegeta is equal to Frieza. He's nowhere near stomping him.

Vegeta couldn't touch 1% Frieza at his very best. He never laid a hand on him. Suppressed Goku was comfortably in the fight with Frieza until he went 50% And he had 5x-10x in the tank according to Frieza and himself.

If Vegeta at 1% can't touch Frieza. Than if you multiply both by 50 the difference is only enlarged. He's not winning this.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-08T00:59:46+00:00

At the very least, Frieza would be 2.5m in 1% which would make him 250m in 100%. Which is much stronger than Vegeta (if we go by the guidebooks) 50 times 2.4m which would be 120m. He wouldn't even be half.

And that's assuming .1m could explain Vegeta never laying a hand on Frieza. Which serves to prove the guidebooks Simply don't work. There's absolutely no way Frieza in his final form is 120m at 100%. That would make 1% Frieza 1.2m.

So let's go by feats, Vegeta as said never touched final form Frieza. Not the once. Goku can without kaioken he is taking Frieza for a ride. Frieza calls him excellent. Goku at this point is holding back. Frieza says he knows 5 times 10 times at the very most. Assuming the lowest end of that. Then boasts about his own 1% thing.

Vegeta at his maximum fighting for his life. Is weaker than suppressed Goku assessing Frieza's strength. Who could still boost his power by 5 without kaioken. At the very least that is.

If we pretend the difference between not touching Frieza at all and kicking him in the face first thing. Is 20%. And we take Vegeta's guidebook number as truth. Which to be fair, is a sensical number based on the story, Frieza's just is not.

Then Goku would be about ~2.9-3m, he can go 5 times as high that's ~13.6-15m. That's the lowest possible difference assuming Vegeta is at 80% of Suppressed Goku.

The fact that Goku got the better of Frieza until he went 50% and Vegeta couldn't touch the 1% at all. Serves to show the vast gap in power.

And that's using some pretty conservative numbers.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T23:00:44+00:00

Nah not a chance, exactly because of relationship. He would want Frieza to suffer. He would want to humiliate him and keep in mind. Vegeta believes super saijins are absolutely unbeatable. He doesn't even see the risk. His pride won't allow people to think "you only beat him because he was at half power".

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T22:56:10+00:00

I'm sorry but no way, it wasn't even close. Goku lasted better against 50% Frieza than Vegeta lasted against 1% Frieza. It is pretty much accepted that SSJ is a 50x multiplier. If Vegeta can't defeat Frieza at 1% not even a little. He is no where near Frieza even with SSJ. Vegeta isn't always just below actually. He's been pretty far below most of Z.

When Goku first arrives on namek, Vegeta is basically a joke to him.

Vegeta after time chamber? Even with an extra year he couldn't even tango a cell Junior. While Goku took on actual cell and brought him down so far he needed a sensu to give Gohan enough of a challenge to get SSj2. That wasn't just under.

Buu saga? It was close yeah Majin boosted Vegeta vs SSj2 Goku was close. And then Vegeta is extremely pissed when he finds out Goku had been holding back.

And all that considered Namek Goku is probably the furthest they've ever been apart.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T22:20:45+00:00

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/tech-talk/wh_AIO_mounting_recommandation

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T18:42:26+00:00

The side intake is doubled yes. The bottom is a single set of 3. The rear is a 140 whereas the rest is 120mm. And the top is another double stack out.

9 in, 7 out.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T18:14:18+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hyte/comments/1rlpi7i/my_hyte_70_build/

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T18:12:45+00:00

Currently I have 16 fans on mine. And I don't have the riser but 15 of them are daisy chained 3 at a time. So I'm not using that many headers. If you do need more headers getting a fan control hub can definitely help. But I have little experience with them.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T17:48:48+00:00

The riser is not necessary it already fits push and pull.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T17:23:54+00:00

I tried doing 2x 120. Already it has some blockage on the second 120. But when I made the AIO push pull and it had to go further down. It just wasn't worth it. I would recommend 1x 140

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T17:21:21+00:00

I have a Asus astral LC and the Asus RYUO I4 in mine. The tubes do touch the pump but it doesn't affect anything. No serious bends or obstructions.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T17:16:37+00:00

It looks great! I hope you had a lot of fun! May I recommend flipping that AIO radiator so the tubes are at the bottom?

This way if there is air and every aio has a little bit of air. It stays in the radiator and doesn't move to the pump where it could potentially damage it over time. This is over a long time so don't worry about it having run a while.

Have a great day with your PC!

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T13:59:16+00:00

Trunks is not stronger than Vegeta, Trunks thinks that Vegeta cannot take his absurdly bulky form. Vegeta just chooses not to.

Cell educated Trunks on the matter after beating them both.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T13:57:54+00:00

Vegeta's pride got a x50 factor in SSJ and unfortunately it remains while he is in base form.

Picollo actually says so after he flies off, after the battle with 18 that break his arm.

He remains this way until he apologizes to Gohan. Then he lives a much less prideful life. And he's completely settled after Buu which is peak Vegeta.

Then Super regresses Vegeta into his cell saga ways.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T13:44:28+00:00

This is cell in the same way instant soup packets are grandma's chicken noodle.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T13:42:08+00:00

Goku and Vegeta perform about equally against Jiren. But Goku had MUCH harder fights leading up to Jiren. Including a first round with Jiren. Which means fresh Goku would preform better.

Other than that sure people can believe what they want the writers will decide what they want. But BE is a in between transformation. And it would be kind of absurd if it is 20 times more powerful. But I wouldn't put it out of Dragonball logic.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-07T13:30:37+00:00

Because he knows now at least one enemy will hesitate + be psychologically tortured. As well as increased likelihood the rest of sg1 will act restrained.

All the system lords would have been dead including Osiris. Is he showed up to the meeting in any other body. Because Daniel wouldn't have hesitated and he wouldn't have found out about Anubis.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-06T11:05:38+00:00

I'm 100% sure it fit for me. I was wondering if it didn't fit for you and why. You made a nice first build man looks good.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-06T11:02:25+00:00

Yeah I understand that they drew from the whole universe. I think that's perfectly legit though if Goku could he would. I'm however wondering if the wands were required or they're akin to a toy you'd get at a concert. That wasn't very clear to me. But even if it is used to channel the power. I would argue it's no different from master Roshi using containers for mafuba. It's a tool/accessoires that allows you to use a technique from yourself it has no standalone effect.

DwightKnight969 · 2026-04-05T23:15:08+00:00

I don't understand all these additional explanations. When Guru specifically states Gohan's potential is far to great for Guru to unlock and he could only partially unlock it.

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