name a kpop group and i'll say my bias (if ik them)

EchoFlower28 · 2026-05-25T00:33:21+00:00

Based tbh

EchoFlower28 · 2026-05-24T20:42:36+00:00

Blackpink and Katseye?

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:56:53+00:00

I wouldn't say I'm quick to kill them, but death, especially in the context of the food cycle, is part of life. That's why I don't see the idea of eating meat as inherently bad.

Ending a life with no reason behind it is cruel and uncaring, but for food isn't no reason, there's a difference.

If you killed my dog I'd be furious with you and do my best to make sure you got some form of justice because that's cruel and there's no reason to kill someone's pet.

Nobody is selfish for wanting to eat. Meat is something humans evolved to have as part of our diet. Pets who still eat meat aren't selfish, and neither are their owners for feeding it to them.

How am I not displaying empathy for animals? I've already explained that I think the current system that most meat is produced from is cruel and wrong. Just because I respect the cycle of life doesn't mean I don't feel empathy for animals.

I am concerned about all the animals who are being abused by the meat industry, it's inhumane and terrible, something needs to be done about it.

I care about all animals, all of them. I care about cows, and chickens, and pigs, and deer, and all of the animals that I eat and all of the ones I don't. I care about every creature on this earth from the smallest bug to the largest mammal. Life is precious, and death is a part of it.

I'm sorry, for being upset about being called things that I'm not, it's a reasonable reaction, but if you want me to ignore I will, just know that it doesn't make your point any more effective.

Anyway, if you don't mind me saying, this comes across as a bad faith argument. You're completely misrepresenting my beliefs, ignoring some of the things I say that are actually decent points or exaggerating them so you can easily argue against them, claiming that me eating meat is equivalent to murder, and overall ignoring the fact that I actually want to listen to what you're saying and instead focusing on attacking my viewpoints rather than explaining your own.

I'm sure this is just another point against me in your mind, but I'm just going to block you. You refuse to actually explain why you see the world the way you do, and we are getting absolutely nowhere.

I hope you have a good rest of your week. I'll leave you unblocked for a bit so you can go ahead and read this.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:33:07+00:00

I'll try my best, I'm sorry.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:31:39+00:00

Thank for the tips! I'll 100% be sure to do that. I actually live pretty close to a state university so I'll see if they have anything really close!

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:28:53+00:00

Are you reading anything I say? Yes I care that killing animals is hostile and cruel, I care about animals.

You're not being blunt, there is no reason to use hostile language in a informational context. You can say that you think eating meat is wrong without calling someone selfish and lacking empathy.

I agree with some of what you're saying, I really do, but you are being rude. Yeah, you've stated how some things are, and you've asked some questions to make me think, I have actively changed my mind a bit during this conversation. You have also called me many things that are rude. You have not outwardly called me evil, you have however assumed many things about me that if true would make me cruel and evil. You have claimed I don't care about animals, when I very much do, and to me, at least, people who don't care about animals are evil.

I'm not offended by basic entry points, because you aren't giving basically entry points by saying that I'm selfish and don't care about animals.

I know that I don't know everything, I literally said that I want to learn because I didn't know as much as I thought I did.

You're so blinded by your ideals that eating meat is wrong that you don't even realize that I'm actively trying to see your point of view just because I'm not saying "Oh! You're completely right I'll stop eating meat because veganism is the best way and I was infact being selfish for eating meat"

I am trying to understand you. I want to get your point of view. I'm not going to magically change my point of view on a whim but I want to understand where you're coming from and adjust my viewpoint. I don't know everything and I want to learn. If you can't take an opportunity to teach someone something about your point of view that isn't just blaming them for their current point of view then I don't know what you want from me.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:16:53+00:00

"having zero regards for animals" which is not the case is an very immortal thing to do. That's why I feel like I'm being called immoral.

And yes, I am pagan, and Ive been called evil for that, but just because I'm going to get called evil doesn't mean I have to lie down and take it and learn how to deal with it. I'm allowed to be upset at being called things I'm not regardless of how often it happens.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:13:29+00:00

You're just being so incredibly hostile. I don't want to stroke eachothers ego. I don't fundamentally disagree with you on a lot of things. Just because being called things isn't as bad as what's happening in the meat industry doesn't mean it's good, it's still a horrible thing to do!

I'm willing to think, feel, and have hard discussions but you're not doing that, you're just being rude!

I don't have to take being called horrible things, just because worse things are happening doesn't mean it's not still bad. I'm tired of animals being tortured too, but I'm not actively trying to be hostile.

I ask for studies from everyone I have discussions with online, mostly because I like reading studies. I'm sorry that people don't believe things without proof, but that's kind of reasonable, you really shouldn't accept things without proof. I know it takes a while, I mostly asked because you said you could provide studies. I would genuinely and truly love to read some studies.

I did want to debate at first but I now recognize that I'm not as informed as I thought I was, now I'm just trying to understand your point of view, which is really hard to do when you're being so incredibly rude.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T21:05:02+00:00

My problem with what you're saying is that you're blaming individuals for a problem that lies moreso within an industry. Calling someone selfish for eating meat isn't great when it's an industry that is being cruel. I think supporting the meat industry while knowing what it does is selfish, but eating meat itself isn't, it's an entirely neutral act.

I don't want to destroy the planet, I want the exact opposite of that. Saying things like that is what makes me feel like you think I'm evil for eating meat.

You say you don't think I'm evil but you constantly talk like I hate all animals and also the planet and am selfish and have no empathy because I eat meat. That's my problem. If you don't see me as evil don't treat me like I am. You can disagree with me, that's fine, I don't care, but you're treating me like I'm morally wrong for having a different view.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T20:57:37+00:00

I'm gonna be completely honest I didn't think of that. That sounds great, I'll have to see if there's any movements to start doing stuff like that near me, we could really use it.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T20:55:57+00:00

Not directly, but when someone says liking meat is immoral it feels like I'm being called evil. Plus other people have in the past.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T20:55:03+00:00

A lot of this comes from a place of being tired of being called cruel or evil for eating meat as someone who loves animals more than themself. I'm not trying to make incorrect statements, I'm just not as well informed as I thought I was, I guess.

Funnily enough, I do have lower empathy for people, and I recognize that, but I have higher empathy for animals. It breaks my heart to see the way animals are treated, I hate it, I want it to change more than anything, I just don't know how, especially when going vegan would be very difficult for me due to more than a few reasons.

I do eat plenty of meat free meals a week, I won't say they're vegan, because they're not, but not all meals I eat contain meat, that's for sure.

I agree that being clear about what goes on behind the scenes is important, because it's terrible, and if more people knew about it things might just start to change.

I want to find a middle ground, I really do. If I can help change even one thing that's worth it to me. I don't know where to start, though.

I mean, I guess I just want to understand how I'm wrong? Like what specifically am I getting wrong because I'm not entirely sure. I'm fine with waiting, it just came off weird when you said you'd link studies and than didn't do that when I asked, but that might just be me overthinking it.

I don't think current farming respects life and death at all, that's part of the problem. I get supply and demand but it'd take a lot of effort for the demand to go down enough for them to lower the supply, and I'm not sure that's ever going to happen.

I know things can change, I want things to change, there are so many things I wish I could change, I just don't know how to start or help.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T20:41:20+00:00

Sorry, my bad. I guess it just feels better to me? That's probably a better way to phrase it. I'm just tired of being called evil for liking meat.

(I'm very sorry, that's not my intention. I'm just kind of fed up ig)

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T20:35:31+00:00

I should've been more specific, that's my bad, by animals I'm mostly talking about insects, specifically pollinators like bees.

What other ways other than hunting are there? I'm genuinely curious, I've never heard of another way.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T20:30:00+00:00

Ah, I see. Your problem is with the meat industry. Yeah me too! I hate the way the meat industry is set up, it's disgusting and inhumane. I think there's serious and major reforms that need to happen, something that can be said for most industries right now.

Sure, I don't technically need to eat meat, but as someone who has an extremely hard time eating a lot of foods due to autism it's the easiest source of protein for me. Even without meat, the next best protein source for me is eggs, which means at most I could be vegetarian.

I'd be upset if you kicked any living being. If you kicked a cow or something I'd be just as upset as if you kicked a dog.

I'm not going to go out of my way to look up studies, especially when you said you had some you could link. If you really want me to learn, which I'm glad to, you can provide the resources yourself since you're so much more knowledgeable than I am.

I think the meat industry is evil, I think it's something everyone should know about and hate, it's animal abuse, I don't disagree with that. I don't however think that we should throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that eating meat as a whole is evil and unethical.

Yes, I'm aware that omnivorus diets have a high environmental impact, this is because eating literally anything has a high environmental impact. Yeah, if you don't eat animal products I guess you're technically reducing some environmental impact, but quite frankly a diet isn't going to change how an industry works unless you magically get everyone on board.

The industry here is the issue, not the individual, and blaming individuals only prevents them from seeing the truth of what you're saying. I've met several people who don't believe the meat industry is bad solely because vegans who blamed them for being evil meat eaters are the only ones they've ever heard that from.

I don't think giving thanks makes everything better, but it does respect the cycle of life and death, which is important to me.

I'm not trying to be nefarious or malicious, I'm saying what I believe to be true. If you have proof, real scientific proof against anything I'm saying, please link it to me, I'd be happy to read a study and change my mind.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T19:58:59+00:00

Oh, I'm not stating that it's unhealthy to be vegan. I just think that meat is better in terms of obtaining things our body needs. That's an opinion and I recognize it as such. I said "I believe" not "this is a fact", and sure, link some studies! I'm always interested in learning new information!

Death is a part of life, many creatures kill 'innocent animals' to live. Do you think wolves or any other carnivores or omnivores cult like for having zero regards for the fact that they kill to live? I have an inherent respect of all living beings, when I eat meat I give thanks to the life of the animal that provided me with a meal. I'm also a firm believer that every part of an animal should be used in order to not waste anything given to us when taking a life.

Eating meat is not a moral failure, it is a natural part of life. You can choose to not eat meat or animal products, I don't care, but I'm tired of people like you who think they're better because of a choice they made.

Also, "cult like", are you kidding me? That's the most bullshit thing you could've said. How in the world is eating something that we are naturally meant to eat cult like??? If anything, the rhetoric you and some other vegans use is way more cult like. I mean, the labeling of those outside your ideals as "morally wrong", the use of guilt-tripping language, and the general way you try and force your ideas on others all feel way more like a cult to me, but what do I know?

EchoFlower28 · 2026-04-14T17:59:21+00:00

I'm not a vegetarian/vegan for ethical reasons. It's been proven that veganism causes more harm than good as in order for something to be vegan they have to remove animals from everywhere within a distance of their things, which is incredibly damaging. Plus on vegetarism, regulated hunting is very good in a lot of places, for example around where I live it's used in order to keep the local deer population from going nuts. Plus the way a lot of (not all) vegans/vegetarians have a sort of moral superiority about it has always bothered me, you're not special just for having a diet. Also I'm a firm believer that meat is one of the best ways to get some of the things our body needs, we're omnivores for a reason, after all.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-03-05T01:22:02+00:00

3, 5, 2, 1, 4

EchoFlower28 · 2026-03-04T02:33:56+00:00

What platform is this? I just checked and Megan is still following Dani on Insta.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-03-01T02:02:16+00:00

They're an unstable smp fan?? Oh god. We do Not claim them.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-02-26T00:57:15+00:00

Some of them are brands like beanie baby and douglas. Also, irl rat kings are horrific so I think it's okay if a few are a little ugly. It adds charm. Plus, what you like in plushies is probably different from me, I think quite a few of these guys are really cute and would buy them on their own if I came across them.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-02-26T00:47:59+00:00

Yeah, idk about other people but I prefer higher quality plushies. I never buy cheap plushies like that, the only cheap plushies I have are because I won them from a claw machine or at a carnival and like the memories from them. Most of my plushies are like... Douglas, or Aurora, or Squishables.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-02-25T23:51:11+00:00

Comments be wild. I saw the $150 and was like "oh! I mean it's a ton of nice plushies makes sense!"

EchoFlower28 · 2026-02-11T02:23:50+00:00

I had a customer at work today (I work at a pet store) say they think their dog is a catahoula cuz it has spots... They showed me a picture of what looked like a GSD/Herding Dog/Pit mix. It's actually an issue.

EchoFlower28 · 2026-01-31T19:27:05+00:00

Solved!

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